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From: Roger Moore <rogermoore435@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Why Silver Wood Pieces Syd???
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For those preparing to download this great article,
beware - it is 160 pages long!! Thought I would warn
you before you hit the "Print" button. Roger
--- johnmenc@optonline.net wrote:
>
> One thing really instructive on reading the
> Drapier's Letters (SO
> FAR) was the importance of "coin weight" and its
> importance to the
> VARIOUS merchants. Swift used this as his main
> argument IMHO to
> CONVINCE the merchants to boycott Wood's BRASS (as
> he called this
> coinage)of halfpence and farthings. There is also
> some great
> arguments on how this coinage will leave the people
> open to "MORE"
> underweight bogus counterfeit halfpence as Wood's
> pieces were
> already counterfeit "in nature" as being
> underweight. He supplies
> some classic merchants examples on how their
> businesses will suffer
> on accepting this underwight coinage.
> There is never a mention of the word "shilling" in
> any of the
> Drapier Letters.
> I keep thinking the silver pieces were for die
> testing or for some
> form type of presentation example. No hint in the
> Drapier's - but
> then again - why would there be ... the coinage
> being rejected in my
> mind was not really political ... Swift is right ...
> what advantage
> would it be for the merchants of Ireland to accept
> brass coinage
> which is underweight to their CURRENT English
> counterpart
> coinage ... even if there was a REAL need for
> non-silver/gold
> coinage for the working class people of Ireland. His
> examples again
> are great and HIT HOME.
> I am not convinced at all - that since we now have
> to pay four
> digits for a 1723 UNC halfpence that this would lead
> me to be
> convinced that this coinage was feely accepted in
> Ireland - TO ANY
> DEGREE AT ALL !!!
> The hell with this underwight bogus halfpence - I am
> with you SWIFT -
> ship this GARBAGE to the COLONIES - ALL OF IT!
>
>
>
> --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, Ray Williams
> <njraywms@o...>
> wrote:
> > Thanks Jack, that will give me something to read
> on a snowy
> evening. I don't know if it's the same source that
> JPL had shared,
> but it certainly will give me what I'm looking for.
> > Ray
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jack Howes
> > To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 9:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Why Silver
> Wood Pieces Syd???
> >
> >
> > Ray,
> >
> > Here is a link to an etext of Swift's Drapier's
> Letters:
> >
> >
>
http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/1/2/7/8/12784/12784-8.txt
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ray Williams
> > To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Why Silver
> Wood Pieces
> Syd???
> >
> >
> > John,
> > Could you share what site you downloaded
> the below
> information? It's interesting and I'd like to read
> a little more on
> the topic.
> > Ray
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: johnmenc@o...
> > To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 4:36 PM
> > Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Why Silver
> Wood Pieces Syd???
> >
> >
> >
> > As is well known William Wood had issued
> quantities of regal
> > halfpennies and farthings for Ireland in
> 1722 and 1723, but
> these
> > had been extremely unpopular, even though
> the last copper
> issue had
> > been in 1696 and shortages were starting to
> appear. This
> popularity
> > was in part the result of a campaign, given
> intellectual
> force by
> > Swift's Drapier's Letters, which, in the
> spirit of the age,
> refused
> > to accept the advantages of a separation
> between face and
> intrinsic
> > value for the smaller denominations.
> >
> > Swift's arguments were based on political
> animus and some
> rather
> > shakey economics. The American colonists
> proved more
> amenable and
> > Mr. Wood's coins were shipped off across the
> ocean. Before
> Wood's
> > issue, it was said that 'considerable
> manufacturers were
> obliged to
> > pay their men with tallies or token in
> cards, signed upon
> the back,
> > to be afterwards exchanged for money..: 2
> Subsequently,
> there may
> > well have been a recurrence of the perennial
> shortage of
> coinage in
> > Ireland, bin this must have been alevinted,
> at least m part.
> by the
> > issue of regal halfpence in 1736-38,
> 1741-44, and farthings
> in 1737,
> > 1738 and 1744, to take only the most
> relevant years.
> >
> > Syd - I am currently reading the Drapier
> Letters - its
> interesting I
> > can find no mention of the word "SILVER."
> Were these just
> > experimental mint pieces or less likely
> presentation pieces?
> What
> > are your thoughts on this matter???
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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