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Subject: Re: Why Silver Wood Pieces Syd???
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Good points with multiple die varieities and circulation wear.=20=20
Seems low population examples of "silver" specimens seem to be the=20
trend of the time with coinages as with the so-called St. Patrick=20=20
shillings. Again no mention of "silver" from my recollection? in=20
reviewing the 1810 reprint of Simon's "Essay on Irish Coins" or in=20
Snelling in my library.
Specimens were submitted/documented (See Appendix IX on this=20
Gutenberg link) to the Tower (Sir Isacc Newton) as Assay Checks -=20
perhaps?=20
Stan - what's your take on the so-called St. Pat. silver shillings?=20
in terms of their existance.
--- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "Martin, Syd" <sfmartin@c...>=20
wrote:
> John: A couple of facts might prove important. First, I have=20
seen=20
> silver farthings from at least 3 (and maybe 4 -- I don't have my=20
notes=20
> with me) different die varieties (Ford has two distinct varieties,=20
> Norweb had 2 or 3, etc.). Second, though many (particularly the=20
19 or=20
> so found in the silver tube in England in the 1950s) are in high=20
states=20
> of preservation (Proof-like -- again, see five of the Ford pieces,=20
> which all apparently came from that tube), I have seen silver=20
farthings=20
> that were no more than Fine, and some that were EF-AUish;=20
particularly=20
> the Fine pieces show more wear than would be expected even if they=20
were=20
> merely a "pocket piece." If they were made for some sort of test,=20
or=20
> as a sample sixpence (for example), there is no reason they would=20
have=20
> been made with so many die varieties. I lean to the theory that=20
WW=20
> occasionally wanted one for a presentation piece, so he'd have=20
some=20
> made up; then, when he ran out, he'd have some more made with=20
whatever=20
> dies were on the press at the time. I've never seen a reference=20
to a=20
> silver farthing in any contemporary literature. Syd
>=20
>=20
> On Jan 4, 2005, at 5:27 PM, Ray Williams wrote:
>=20
> > John,
> > =A0=A0=A0 Could you share what site=A0you downloaded the below=20
information?=A0=20
> > It's interesting and I'd like to read a little more on the topic.
> > Ray
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: johnmenc@o...
> > To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 4:36 PM
> > Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Why Silver Wood Pieces Syd???
> >
> >
> > As is well known William Wood had issued quantities of regal
> > halfpennies and farthings for Ireland in 1722 and 1723, but these
> > had been extremely unpopular, even though the last copper issue=20
had
> > been in 1696 and shortages were starting to appear. This=20
popularity
> > was in part the result of a campaign, given intellectual force=20
by
> > Swift's Drapier's Letters, which, in the spirit of the age,=20
refused
> > to accept the advantages of a separation between face and=20
intrinsic
> > value for the smaller denominations.
> >
> > Swift's arguments were based on political animus and some rather
> > shakey economics. The American colonists proved more amenable and
> > Mr. Wood's coins were shipped off across the ocean. Before Wood's
> > issue, it was said that 'considerable manufacturers were obliged=20
to
> > pay their men with tallies or token in cards, signed upon the=20
back,
> > to be afterwards exchanged for money..: 2 Subsequently, there may
> > well have been a recurrence of the perennial shortage of=20
coinage in
> > Ireland, bin this must have been alevinted, at least m part. by=20
the
> > issue of regal halfpence in 1736-38, 1741-44, and farthings in=20
1737,
> > 1738 and 1744, to take only the most relevant years.
> >
> > Syd - I am currently reading the Drapier Letters - its=20
interesting I
> > can find no mention of the word "SILVER." Were these just
> > experimental mint pieces or less likely presentation pieces? What
> > are your thoughts on this matter???
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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