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John, I have to disagree with your use of "private minter", as Wood was
under contract with the King, as I understand it, making him beholdened to
the clauses in the contract, which I am sure were exacting, especially with
the Tower Mint checking up on him. I doubt he was able to get away with
much of anything. David

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From: johnmenc@optonline.net
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:50:06 -0000
To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Spam:Spam:Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Why Silver Wood Pieces Syd???

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I will wait for the book. Will keep (1) below in the back of my mind 
and have no real disagreements with (2) & (3). Perhaps I should have 
said the underwieght? coinage had the potential to induce 
counterfeiting of the series which is what Swift was saying in the 
Drapier's to the general Irish population - not that counterfeits 
had already been made & were being found in the marketplace. 
The need for copper coinage was obviously there and I guess it will 
be difficult to determine on how "succesful" this BRASS coinage was 
in Ireland? The short period of this contract does hint on its 
success or is this like the COLONIES ... you can NEVER traust a 
private minter ... of course not ... 
I am not really jumping with both feet into these new ideas or this 
new IRISH testament brought out by Brian Danforth. Its certainly was 
refreshing and very welcomed in reading these post-Breen 
advancements - but to what DEGREE these coins circulated - I for one 
need some more evidence even to the point that they were somewhat 
accepted by the Irish population - I do believe somewhat based on my 
gut feeling as this Irish arena surely mimics the COLONIES in the 
late 18th century in terms of needing the HALFPENCE - but I would 
like to see some MORE tangibles ... 
 
 
 
--- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "Martin, Syd" <sfmartin@c...> 
wrote: 
> John:=A0 you are still missing a couple of major points: 
> 
> (1)=A0 Isaac Newton (and/or his nephew) conducted an assay of Wood's 
> coins and found them on average to be of true weight [Swift's 
argument 
> was that the coins surveyed were specially selected -- but without 
any 
> proof], (2) if you examine Wood's coins, you will find that the 
quality 
> is better than anything being made in England or most of the 
continent 
> at the time -- poor workmanship that could be easily counterfeited 
is 
> not an issue -- and I've never actually seen a contemporary 
counterfeit 
> Wood's Hibernia; (3) there was indeed a coin shortage in Ireland, 
and 
> they needed small change.=A0=A0 Swift was mostly ticked off because 
(a) he 
> had personal problems with the Whigs who cam to power in England 
and 
> (b) he thought the English Parliament/King should have made the 
Irish 
> Governor party to any agreement for Irish coinage. 
> 
> Also, I have developed a theory which will be elaborated in my 
upcoming 
> book that Wood very cleverly used Swift -- and Swift fell for it.=A0 
I 
> can explain if you are interested. 
> 
> Syd 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 5, 2005, at 11:55 AM, <johnmenc@o...> wrote: 
> 
> > 
> >=A0 My guess is that you "MAY" have a change in opinion after 
reading 
> >=A0 some of Swift's=A0 merchant examples that he portrays in the 
> >=A0 Drapier's ... in terms of merchant transactions and the problems 
> >=A0 that will come about if you are a merchant and if you are STUCK 
with 
> >=A0 Wood's underweight coinage after or during a transaction. Swift 
> >=A0 retrieved many merchant signatures who felt this underweight 
coinage 
> >=A0 was simply - NO GOOD for the Irish economy which he used as 
PROOF 
> >=A0 that this coinage was not suitable for the people of Ireland. 
This 
> >=A0 was IMHO a little different than a Conder token which was 
backed by 
> >=A0 a reputable merchant as "good money." This Wood Brass money was 
more 
> >=A0 of a hinderance to the merchants when having to deal with BOTH 
good 
> >=A0 weight EXISTING regal money and this NEW and undesirable 
underweight 
> >=A0 brass (as Swift calls it) halfpence & farthings. Again its 
> >=A0 underweight "status" would ALSO make it "that much easier" for 
the 
> >=A0 counterfeiter to make & pass. 
> >=A0 IMHO Swifts arguments, the counterfeiting argument and the 
multiple 
> >=A0 merchant examples in the Drapier's go WAY BEYOND as just being 
> >=A0 POLITICAL but more of a nature of COMMON SENSE. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >=A0 --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, Ray Williams 
<njraywms@o...> 
> >=A0 wrote: 
> >=A0 > John, 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0 I don't think that Swift would have been politically<B=
R>
> >=A0 motivated, at all, to give an inaccurate report of the weights 
of 
> >=A0 Wood's coinages <BG>=A0 I have a feeling that with respect to the<BR=
>
> >=A0 copper coinage, being up to weight was not as important as what 
was 
> >=A0 accepted or not accepted (politics).=A0 Most copper coinage was a<BR=
>
> >=A0 token coinage and did not contain the full value of the coin in 
its 
> >=A0 copper content, unlike the silver and gold coinages which did.=A0=A0=
 
> >=A0 > Ray 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 ----- Original Message ----- 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 From: johnmenc@o... 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:58 AM 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 Subject: Spam:Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Why Silver Wood <BR=
>
Pieces 
> >=A0 Syd??? 
> >=A0 > 
> >=A0 > 
> >=A0 > 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 Good point Syd - the deviation is/appears small - however it=
 
> >=A0 would 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 be interesting to correlate your current findings to Swift's=
 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 examples in the Drapier's in terms of his arguments/examples=
 
> >=A0 with 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 various merchants receiving Wood's underweight coinage and <=
BR>
the 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 RESULTING LOSS the merchant would find himself in when 
accepting 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 this coinage. A cross-comparison would be very well 
received in 
> >=A0 a 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 future CNL. 
> >=A0 > 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 Perhaps Swift did exaggerate a bit on the underwight issue <=
BR>
in 
> >=A0 his 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 documented examples based on your calculations? I doubt Syd =
 
if 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 anyone has been here yet in terms of the above cross- 
comparion. 
> >=A0 > 
> >=A0 > 
> >=A0 > 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "Martin, Syd" 
> >=A0 <sfmartin@c...> 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 wrote: 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > Actually, be careful of claiming underweight.=A0 I have a =
 
sample 
> >=A0 of 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > approximately 1,000 pieces.=A0 The average weight is about=
5 
> >=A0 grains 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 less 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > than standard BUT the standard deviation of the sample is<=
BR>
> >=A0 about 7 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > grains.=A0 If anyone is interested, I can provide exact <B=
R>
data (by 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 year and 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > by total).=A0 Remember also, that an exchange rate existed=
 
> >=A0 between 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > England and Ireland at the time -- their currencies were<B=
R>
> >=A0 not "at 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > parity."=A0 Syd 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > On Jan 5, 2005, at 9:43 AM, <johnmenc@o...> wrote: 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > > 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 One thing really instructive on reading the Drapier's=
 
> >=A0 Letters 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 (SO 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 FAR) was the importance of "coin weight" and its 
importance 
> >=A0 to 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 the 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 VARIOUS merchants. Swift used=A0 this as his main <BR=
>
argument 
> >=A0 IMHO to 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 CONVINCE the merchants to boycott Wood's BRASS (as he=
 
> >=A0 called 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 this 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 coinage)of halfpence and farthings. There is also som=
e 
great 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 arguments on how this coinage will leave the people <=
BR>
open 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 to "MORE" 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 underweight bogus counterfeit halfpence as Wood's <BR=
>
pieces 
> >=A0 were 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 already counterfeit "in nature" as being underweight.=
 
He 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 supplies 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 some classic merchants examples on how their business=
es 
> >=A0 will 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 suffer 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 on accepting this underwight coinage. 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 There is never a mention of the word "shilling" in an=
y 
of 
> >=A0 the 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 Drapier Letters. 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 I keep thinking the silver pieces were for die testin=
g 
or 
> >=A0 for 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 some 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 form type of presentation example. No hint in the 
> >=A0 Drapier's - 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 but 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 then again - why would there be ... the coinage being=
 
> >=A0 rejected 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 in my 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 mind was not really political ... Swift is right ... =
 
what 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 advantage 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 would it be for the merchants of Ireland to accept <B=
R>
brass 
> >=A0 coinage 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 which is underweight to their CURRENT English 
counterpart 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 coinage ... even if there was a REAL need for non-<BR=
>
> >=A0 silver/gold 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 coinage for the working class people of Ireland. His<=
BR>
> >=A0 examples 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 again 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 are great and HIT HOME. 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 I am not convinced at all - that since we now have to=
 
pay 
> >=A0 four 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 digits for a 1723 UNC halfpence that this would lead =
 
me to 
> >=A0 be 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 convinced that this coinage was feely accepted in <BR=
>
Ireland - 
> >=A0 TO 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 ANY 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 DEGREE AT ALL !!! 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 The hell with this underwight bogus halfpence - I am =
 
with 
> >=A0 you 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 SWIFT - 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 ship this GARBAGE to the COLONIES - ALL OF IT! 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > > 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > > 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > > 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, Ray Williams<B=
R>
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 <njraywms@o...> 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 wrote: 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 > Thanks Jack, that will give me something to read on=
a 
> >=A0 snowy 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 evening.=A0 I don't know if it's the same source that=
 
JPL had 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 shared, 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 but it certainly will give me what I'm looking for.<B=
R>
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 > Ray 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0 ----- Original Message ----- 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0 From: Jack Howes 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0 To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0 Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 9:40 PM 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0 Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Why Silve=
r Wood 
> >=A0 Pieces 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 Syd??? 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 > 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 > 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0 Ray, 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 > 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0 Here is a link to an etext of Swift's Drapier=
's 
Letters: 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 > 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0 <a
href=3D"http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/1/2/7/8/12784/12784-">http://www.gute=
nbe
rg.org/dirs/1/2/7/8/12784/12784-</a> 
8.txt 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0 ----- Original Message ----- 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0 From: Ray Williams 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0 To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0 Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:27 PM=
 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0 Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Why=
Silver 
Wood 
> >=A0 Pieces 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 Syd??? 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 > 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 > 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0 John, 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Could you share what site y=
ou downloaded the 
below 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 information?=A0 It's interesting and I'd like to read=
a 
> >=A0 little 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 more on 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 the topic. 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0 Ray 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ----- Original Message ----- 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 From: johnmenc@o... 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.co=
m 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 4=
:36 PM 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] W=
hy Silver Wood 
> >=A0 Pieces 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 Syd??? 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 > 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 > 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 > 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 As is well known William Wood had=
issued 
quantities 
> >=A0 of 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 regal 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 halfpennies and farthings for Ire=
land in 1722 
and 
> >=A0 1723, 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 but 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 these 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 had been extremely unpopular, eve=
n though the 
last 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 copper 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 issue had 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 been in 1696 and shortages were s=
tarting to 
appear. 
> >=A0 This 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 popularity 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 was in part the result of a campa=
ign, given 
> >=A0 intellectual 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 force by 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Swift's Drapier's Letters, which,=
in the 
spirit of 
> >=A0 the 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 age, 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 refused 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 to accept the advantages of a sep=
aration 
between 
> >=A0 face 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 and 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 intrinsic 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 value for the smaller denominatio=
ns. 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 > 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Swift's arguments were based on p=
olitical 
animus 
> >=A0 and 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 some 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 rather 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 shakey economics. The American co=
lonists 
proved more 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 amenable and 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Mr. Wood's coins were shipped off=
across the 
ocean. 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 Before 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 Wood's 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 issue, it was said that 'consider=
able 
manufacturers 
> >=A0 were 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 obliged to 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 pay their men with tallies or tok=
en in cards, 
> >=A0 signed 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 upon 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 the back, 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 to be afterwards exchanged for mo=
ney..: 2 
> >=A0 Subsequently, 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 there may 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 well have been a recurrence of th=
e perennial 
> >=A0 shortage of 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 coinage in 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Ireland, bin this must have been =
alevinted, at 
> >=A0 least m 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 part. 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 by the 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 issue of regal halfpence in 1736-=
38, 1741-44, 
and 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 farthings 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 in 1737, 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1738 and 1744, to take only the m=
ost relevant 
years. 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 > 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Syd - I am currently reading the =
Drapier 
Letters - 
> >=A0 its 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 interesting I 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 can find no mention of the word "=
SILVER." Were 
> >=A0 these 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 just 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 experimental mint pieces or less =
likely 
> >=A0 presentation 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 pieces? 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 What 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 are your thoughts on this matter?=
?? 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 > 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 > 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 > 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 > 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 > 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 > 
> >=A0 >=A0=A0 > >=A0 > ---------------------------------------------------=
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2005-01-05

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