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Subject: Re: Why Silver Wood Pieces Syd???
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For those of you who are reading the Drapier's I would NEXT
recommend this reference which provides an INCREDIBLE Historical
section commenting on my concerns & arguments on the actual degree
of circulation as well as the MIND BOGGLING Declarations and
Petitions illustrated in this section AGAINST this coinage. See:
The Drapier's Letters to the People of Ireland against receiving
Wood's Halfpence by Johnathan Swift. Edited by Herbert Davis.
Oxford. At the Clarendon Press. MCMXXXV.
On page lxi in the Historical Section it reads ...and the people of
Dublin rejoiced as at a great triumph, and openly celebrated the
victory of the Drapier.
If after reading the Historical section of the Davis treatment on
the Drapier's you still feel this coinage freely circulated ... well
everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
--- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, johnmenc@o... wrote:
>
> In terms of the Rosa Twopence and probably why this denomination
was
> issued ... are you aware of the Holles Newcastle letter to the
> Governor of New Hampshire on 29 October 1725???
>
>
>
>
> --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "Sydney F. Martin"
> <sfmartin5@c...> wrote:
> > Remember -- Irish and English money was not at parity,
accounting
> for
> > the differences John Lorenzo is so concerned about. Syd
> >
> > Rosaamltd@a... wrote:
> >
> > > John, you are assuming here that all the British posessions
had
> a
> > > circulating coinage that was equal in weight and fineness to
> those
> > > produced by the Tower mint in London, aren't you? Comparing
> British
> > > George II and George III coinage to the Woods pieces is
> comparing
> > > apples to oranges -- you need to compare IRISH George II and
> George
> > > III pieces to the Wood issues. Even if Ireland is a heck of a
> lot
> > > closer to London than America is, anything produced in England
> would
> > > have to be shipped over there and the pieces would need to be
> placed
> > > in circulation at some expense to the crown; that expense
would
> most
> > > likely be taken "off the top" as a slight decrease in the
weight
> or
> > > fineness of a particular piece (or in the case of the Rosa
> Americana
> > > series as an increase in the valuation -- so that a coin the
> size of a
> > > Hibernia farthing now became a Rosa Americana halfpenny, and
on
> up the
> > > scale). So a few grains difference between standard BRITISH
> weight
> > > and Woods coinages would not have been that bad at all, and
> would have
> > > actually been a bonus to Irish merchants, as even a Hibernia
at
> 5
> > > grains less would still weight a lot more than the counterfeit
> British
> > > and Irish pieces and 17th & early 18th century token coinages
> that
> > > would have probably made up the majority of pieces in
> circulation in
> > > Ireland at the time.
> > >
> > > Swift was an interesting character, but he was one that held
> grudges
> > > pretty much for his entire life -- if you read
> through "Gulliver's
> > > Travels" you can occasionally figure out the exact person he
was
> > > mocking or satirizing, but to a contemporary the text would
have
> read
> > > closer to something like today's "National Enquirer" in that
it
> > > slammed just about every authority who ever dared to disagree
> with
> > > Swift. No doubt somewhere along the line Wood must have given
> insult
> > > to Swift and Swift must have taken great pleasure in being
able
> to
> > > adopt yet another persona, the Drapier, to mock the man and
his
> > > coinage. The fact that the coinage was good, was definitely
> useful
> > > and particularly needed in Ireland didn't seem to matter much
to
> > > Swift, and when Wood's enterprise failed there would have
> certainly
> > > been a shortage of circulating specie which would then be
filled
> with
> > > -- what else -- low weight, crude counterfeits of regal types
> that
> > > were actually LESS valuable than the Wood pieces!
> > >
> > > And a tangent -- something that I've always wondered about,
and
> maybe
> > > Syd can comment on. If the Hibernia farthing is about the
size
> of the
> > > Rosa halfpenny, and the Hibernia halfpenny is about the size
of
> the
> > > Rosa penny, then why do we have a Rosa twopence and NOT a
> Hibrenia
> > > penny? It would seem logical to have such a coin, especially
> since
> > > Wood must have had equipment capable of making planchets that
> size and
> > > thickness and presses that could strike such a piece...
> > >
> > > Jeff Rock
> > >
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