Wood 16 Lamination Error ....Coming Soon!

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It will take time, John, for collectors to recognize that Early American
Coinages have three sides.

Ten years ago no one even recognized that coins had edges! No one had
ever paid any attention to my writings on edge effects, done years
earlier in CNL!

Much less did they observe that a plethora of information is contained
on those edges!

AND - don't just LOOK at those edges. Sit back - close your eyes,
relax, and lightly FEEL those edges with your fingertips. You will
quickly recognize shapes and detail that you cannot SEE!

There are several varieties in the Barnlsey reference collection of
Connecticut coppers that contain about 16 specimens of the same die
variety. You can go accomplish the FEEL technique and determine
accurately how many different planchet cutters were used - still -
without looking at the coins, by FEEL you can stack them up with the odd
Feel-points together and then look. You will suddenly see edge markings
on every specimen in a stack that you would never have noticed,
otherwise. Just like rifling marks on bullets!

This is the means to solve the secrets of the Blacksmiths! I pointed
this out to both Fuld and Tayman when I met them at ANS a few years
back. How well they listened is unknown to me, today.

Jim/CNLF

==============================

John Lorenzo wrote:

>
> Obviously - I did not think that DEEP about it (i.e., hardness of
> the planchet creating some exceptions with the planchet cutters
> mentioned in your article) - but with the square & smooth
> classifications ADDED and then coupled with an image of the
> obverse/reverse only (no edge photo); what else can an average eSIG
> member submit at this point in time as being 100 % correct other
> than a photo & a smooth/square edge observation/classification? ...
> also realizing that die sharing will be more/as informative as edge
> classifications in terms of weeding out the British imports.
>
>
>
> --- In BlacksmithTokens@yahoogroups.com, JCSpilman <JCSpilman1@C...>
> wrote:
> > John - -
> >
> > You are correct - EXCEPT - there are other edge configurations that
> > result from BOTH type cutters and these need to be recognized.
> >
> > That is to say - a Cylinder/hole-in-plate cutter produces BOTH cut
> and
> > shear edge configurations depending on the thickness and hardness
> of the
> > planchet stock. The same is true, somewhat, for the
> Franco/American
> > cutter.
> >
> > Jim/CNLF
> >
> >
> >
> > John Lorenzo wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I think the terms smooth rounded edge and square edged maybe more
> > > acceptable since there is no chance of a mis-interpretation by
> the
> > > collector posting a Blacksmith. I will go back and add this to my
> > > previous examples - when time permits. Currently, with W14 and
> > > within the W11-18 group they all seem to be squared edged. Rather
> > > than suggesting English/American this in my opinion adds value to
> > > the notion of a similar production site/operation.
> > >
> > > --- In BlacksmithTokens@yahoogroups.com, JCSpilman
> <JCSpilman1@C...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Thanks John - -
> > > >
> > > > Hey! - you other eSIG members!
> > > >
> > > > Lets fill up those PHOTO files! The more images we can
> examine
> > > the
> > > > better off we will all be!
> > > >
> > > > ALSO - note edge facts in description - especially whether on
> a
> > > PUNCHED
> > > > (plate with hole cutter) or CUT (Franco-American cookie
> cutter)
> > > > planchet.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > Jim/CNLF
> > > >
> > > > ========================================
> > > >
> > > > John Lorenzo wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Going through my specimens I came across what I believe is
> the
> > > most
> > > > > DRAMATIC lamination error on any counterfeit or U.S. Colonial
> > > coin.
> > > > > Will post two more W14's shortly ...
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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It will take time, John, for collectors to recognize that Early
American Coinages have three sides.
Ten years ago no one even recognized that coins had edges! No
one had ever paid any attention to my writings on edge effects, done years
earlier in CNL!
Much less did they observe that a plethora of information is contained
on those edges!
AND - don't just LOOK at those edges. Sit back - close
your eyes, relax, and lightly FEEL those edges with your fingertips.
You will quickly recognize shapes and detail that you cannot SEE!
There are several varieties in the Barnlsey reference collection of
Connecticut coppers that contain about 16 specimens of the same die variety.
You can go accomplish the FEEL technique and determine accurately how many
different planchet cutters were used - still - without looking at the coins,
by FEEL you can stack them up with the odd Feel-points together and then
look. You will suddenly see edge markings on every specimen in
a stack that you would never have noticed, otherwise. Just like rifling
marks on bullets!
This is the means to solve the secrets of the Blacksmiths!
I pointed this out to both Fuld and Tayman when I met them at ANS a few
years back. How well they listened is unknown to me, today.
Jim/CNLF
==============================
John Lorenzo wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>
 <tt>Obviously - I did not think that DEEP about it (i.e., hardness
of</tt>
 <tt>the planchet creating some exceptions with the planchet cutters</tt>
 <tt>mentioned in your article) - but with the square & smooth</tt>
 <tt>classifications ADDED and then coupled with an image of the</tt>
 <tt>obverse/reverse only (no edge photo); what else can an average
eSIG</tt>
 <tt>member submit at this point in time as being 100 % correct other</tt>
 <tt>than a photo & a smooth/square edge observation/classification?
...</tt>
 <tt>also realizing that die sharing will be more/as informative as
edge</tt>
 <tt>classifications in terms of weeding out the British imports.</tt>
 
 
<tt>--- In BlacksmithTokens@yahoogroups.com, JCSpilman <JCSpilman1@C...></tt>
 <tt>wrote:</tt>
 <tt>> John - -</tt>
 <tt>></tt>
 <tt>> You are correct - EXCEPT - there are other edge configurations
that</tt>
 <tt>> result from BOTH type cutters and these need to be recognized.</tt>
 <tt>></tt>
 <tt>> That is to say - a Cylinder/hole-in-plate cutter produces BOTH
cut</tt>
 <tt>and</tt>
 <tt>> shear edge configurations depending on the thickness and hardness</tt>
 <tt>of the</tt>
 <tt>> planchet stock. The same is true, somewhat, for the</tt>
 <tt>Franco/American</tt>
 <tt>> cutter.</tt>
 <tt>></tt>
 <tt>> Jim/CNLF</tt>
 <tt>></tt>
 <tt>></tt>
 <tt>></tt>
 <tt>> John Lorenzo wrote:</tt>
 <tt>></tt>
 <tt>> ></tt>
 <tt>> > I think the terms smooth rounded edge and square edged maybe
more</tt>
 <tt>> > acceptable since there is no chance of a mis-interpretation
by</tt>
 <tt>the</tt>
 <tt>> > collector posting a Blacksmith. I will go back and add this
to my</tt>
 <tt>> > previous examples - when time permits. Currently, with W14
and</tt>
 <tt>> > within the W11-18 group they all seem to be squared edged.
Rather</tt>
 <tt>> > than suggesting English/American this in my opinion adds value
to</tt>
 <tt>> > the notion of a similar production site/operation.</tt>
 <tt>> ></tt>
 <tt>> > --- In BlacksmithTokens@yahoogroups.com, JCSpilman</tt>
 <tt><JCSpilman1@C...></tt>
 <tt>> > wrote:</tt>
 <tt>> > > Thanks John - -</tt>
 <tt>> > ></tt>
 <tt>> > > Hey! - you other eSIG members!</tt>
 <tt>> > ></tt>
 <tt>> > > Lets fill up those PHOTO files! The more images
we can</tt>
 <tt>examine</tt>
 <tt>> > the</tt>
 <tt>> > > better off we will all be!</tt>
 <tt>> > ></tt>
 <tt>> > > ALSO - note edge facts in description - especially whether
on</tt>
 <tt>a</tt>
 <tt>> > PUNCHED</tt>
 <tt>> > > (plate with hole cutter) or CUT (Franco-American cookie</tt>
 <tt>cutter)</tt>
 <tt>> > > planchet.</tt>
 <tt>> > ></tt>
 <tt>> > > Thanks.</tt>
 <tt>> > ></tt>
 <tt>> > > Jim/CNLF</tt>
 <tt>> > ></tt>
 <tt>> > > ========================================</tt>
 <tt>> > ></tt>
 <tt>> > > John Lorenzo wrote:</tt>
 <tt>> > ></tt>
 <tt>> > > ></tt>
 <tt>> > > > Going through my specimens I came across what I believe
is</tt>
 <tt>the</tt>
 <tt>> > most</tt>
 <tt>> > > > DRAMATIC lamination error on any counterfeit or U.S. Colonial</tt>
 <tt>> > coin.</tt>
 <tt>> > > > Will post two more W14's shortly ...</tt>
 <tt>> > > ></tt>
 <tt>> ></tt>
 <tt>> ></tt>
 <tt>> ></tt>
 <tt>> ></tt>
 <tt>> >
Yahoo! Groups Sponsor</tt>
 <tt>>
ADVERTISEMENT</tt>
 <tt>>
[click here]</tt>
 <tt>></tt>
 <tt>> ></tt>
 <tt>> > -------------------------------------------------------------</tt>
 <tt>--</tt>
 <tt>> > Yahoo! Groups Links</tt>
 <tt>> ></tt>
 <tt>> > * To visit your group on the web, go to:</tt>
 <tt>> > <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BlacksmithTokens/">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BlacksmithTokens/</a></tt>
 <tt>> ></tt>
 <tt>> > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an
email to:</tt>
 <tt>> > BlacksmithTokens-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com</tt>
 <tt>> ></tt>
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the Yahoo! Terms of</tt>
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