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Thanks "rob" - I have been in hot water for 78 years and have learned
to tolerate it quite well. After a career in the Aero-Space industry,
one can survive anything and still chuckle from time to time. You
are aware, I am certain, that some folk believe that YOU are Mario.

I note from YOUR full header that: X-UIDL:
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Best - Jim/CNLF

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rob wrote:

> Jim;I told you that this is not Mario,.....and as far as New Jersey
> fakes, the answer is no! He sold all his New Jersey's privately about
> a month or so ago to a C-4 member who's identity will not be given,
> anyway, looks like somebody just put you in hot waterRob of Roy in
> Michigan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: JCSpilman
> To: eGroup-ColonialCoins ; eGroup AMNUMSOC-1
> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 5:39 PM
> Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: [AMNUMSOC-1] Re: What
> happened here?
> Hi all -
>
> Well - he's back. Never knows when to quit! Old Winnetka,
> or Reynolds, or Ivriped, or perhaps it really is Mario!
> Sure writes like Mario!
>
> PRIVATE EMAIL
>
> RLWinnetka@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Dear Mr. Spilman: So instead of an apology,
> > .......................... you have descended into name
> > calling. .................I really think that you have
> > gone over the edge, Jim, and should seek medical help for
> > your condition. ........................... I'm a great
> > fan of Lexapro! Instead of acknowledging and
> > apologizing for your previous errors,
> > .................... heck - I don't even apologize for
> > my future errors ............................. you have
> > committed new ones: "black-tie awards?"
> > ..................... What's that? Those are the
> > nothing awards given by self-admiration societies. You
> > claim, on the one hand, to know who I am from NIP hits,
> > ............................ then in the same posting
> > profess not even to know who you are responding to?! I
> > too am a dummy - been thrown out of some of the best
> > Societies. Which is it? Ask King Groves - he knows
> > full well, and if he knows who you are he may tell you
> > about me. ......................... Why keep pretending
> > not to know a Fellow (another of those self-admiration
> > awards) of the ANS, ......................who found this
> > list from the official ANS list? Now that IS an
> > accomplishment since more than 60% are out of date. A new
> > IT manager will be able to fix that in a hurry. This is
> > a sickness on your part. You know perfectly well who I
> > am-- ...................... Mario?
> > ....................... I have always signed my name
> > and identified myself. Like Ivriped? Nothing
> > "cowardly" here--I think you have a screw loose. That is
> > why they gave me the NLG Extrodinary Merit Loose Screw
> > Award in 1995. You do know about the NLG do you not? I
> > suppose not. It is NOT one of the "black-tie" phony
> > awards organizations They really mean it! Your comment
> > that I voted for Donald Partrick (is HE "King Groves")
> > is utterly wrong ......................... and is further
> > proof that you did not attend the special ANS meeting
> > called by the Concerned Fellows,
> > .......................... at which I made an
> > impassioned speech. You must have really gone over BIG
> > time! But then, of course, you're not a Fellow. No! I
> > am the Editor Emeritus of CNL - and after your tirade --
> > that will probably be the next to go! I think ( not
> > remotely possible ) this message is going to you alone,
> > ............................not the group, instead of
> > being addressed to ..................."All." With this
> > last comment I give up on you.
> > ..........................You really have a strange way of
> > trying to build support for whatever it is you plan
> > ................... to do in March. I do not anticipate
> > being invited to the March meeting. But tell me one
> > thing ................................. if the ANS was
> > the "Ancient Numismatic Society" as long ago as 1958, and
> > still is, ( do you know the current "insider name " for
> > the ANS? ) and missed opportunities over the years
> > ........................ to affiliate with a university,
> > etc.--why did you give the Colonial Newsletter to this
> > underfunded, dysfunctional, and unsympathetic organization
> > (now THAT is calling a Spade a Spade!!! ) instead of to a
> > university, ....................... biggest mistake I
> > have ever made in my 78 years! ................... the
> > ANA, the Smithsonian, the Colonial Williamsburg
> > Foundation, or anybody else? Huh?
> >
> > Bye DUMMY
> >
> > Still sounds like Mario to me! If you are lurking here
> > Mario, and this is NOT you, my sincere apologies! Made
> > any new fake NJs recently?
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > =============================
> >
> >
> > Bob Leonard
> >
> > Hi all - another example of the steady decline
> > of the ANS.
> >
> > PRIVATE EMAIL
> >
> > Dear Leonard or Winnetka or what ever moniker
> > you cowardly hide behind!
> >
> > RLWinnetka@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > Sent to me twice, answered once. It is always
> > > inadvisable, Jim, to indulge in ad hominem
> > > attacks, the more so when you don't know what
> > > you are talking about.
> > >
> > > So why don't you shut up, DUMMY! So you have
> > > more hits in NIP; so what? Prestige - real
> > > achievements as compared with the phony
> > > black-tie awards you list below! This is an
> > > ANS discussion group HA HA HA DUMMY, are you
> > > in for a surprise! , and if you check the
> > > library catalog of the ANS you will find 30
> > > citations for me who ever you are - perhaps you
> > > are really Mario! , compared to 28 for you.
> > > You forgot CNL DUMMY! As for other
> > > credentials, I gave the Stack Lecture at the
> > > invitation of John Kleeberg--have you done
> > > that? I presented at FOUR COACs; how many have
> > > you done? Most of them since I helped start
> > > them with my very good friend from Dallas, the
> > > late you-know-who! Among my articles, three
> > > have received Heath Literary Awards, including
> > > First Place, and one also won the Wayte and
> > > Olga Raymond Award. I'm the author of the
> > > current edition of the standard catalog of a
> > > U.S. numismatic series, a book praised by Eric
> > > Newman, Ken Bressett, and others. I have been
> > > elected a Fellow of the ANS so you are one of
> > > the DUMMIES who voted "or I'll take my money
> > > and go" into the Kingship of the ANS! and the
> > > Royal Numismatic Society RUBBISH!. I've
> > > presented numismatic papers at conferences on
> > > three continents. I was appointed to the ANS
> > > Advisory Committee. And I could continue.
> > > Your ignorance of my many achievements merely
> > > serves to reinforce my point that you are
> > > narrow-minded and parochial; thank you for
> > > that.
> > >
> > > My, My, My - - And you still don't know your
> > > Aspin from a Hole in the ground - whatever your
> > > real name is.
> > >
> > > JIm Bob - - or who ever you are
> > >
> > > I am talking about TODAY at the
> > > ANS! When someone comes up with a
> > > comment about something from 50 years
> > > ago - I respond in kind. I was at
> > > the ANS 50 years ago! It is a
> > > pertinent reference to me. What I
> > > have related is truthful history!
> > > Even though some try continuously to
> > > rewrite it!
> > >
> > > Attend the ANS meeting in March!
> > > Enjoy the fight!
> > >
> > > RLWinnetka@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > JimPlease! Besides overlooking
> > > > the important paper on Vermont
> > > > coins by Eric Newman, which one? -
> > > > I have several offprints from Eric
> > > > with hand written notations
> > > > thanking me for my help with them
> > >
> > > I see what happened here--you weren't sharp
> > > enough to notice that the table of contents of
> > > this thick book is printed on BOTH SIDES. You
> > > checked the page count, whipped it open, saw
> > > Walter Breen's name on the first page of the
> > > Table of Contents (contributors are listed in
> > > alphabetical order), and assumed that his was
> > > the only paper on United States coins in the
> > > whole book. If you had just turned the page,
> > > you would have seen Eric Newman's paper on
> > > Vermont coins. Get up from your computer,
> > > verify this, and apologize to me.
> > >
> > > > you are complaining about something
> > > > that happened almost fifty years
> > > > ago!! You also seem to think that
> > > > ancient, medieval, and Islamic
> > > > numismatics are not worth studying
> > > > RUBBISH! , and that the ANS should
> > > > ignore them. MORE RUBBISH! Now
> > > > that is outright STUPID - the
> > > > entire sequence of Roman Emperors
> > > > (which I collect) was derived from
> > > > the numismatic history.
> > > >
> > > > An even more informative
> > > > volume from the same era
> > > > is the "Centennial
> > > > Publication of the ANS"
> > > > by Harald Ingholt
> > > > (1958). 721 pages of
> > > > articles and only ONE on
> > > > a United States subject
> > > > (by Walter Breen). By
> > > > that time, 1958, the ANS
> > > > had earned it's
> > > > reputation as the Ancient
> > > > Numismatic Society, run
> > > > by dinosaurs. As true
> > > > today as it was in 1958.
> > > >
> > > See above. Incidentally, is a "dinosaur"
> > > someone who dwells on the past?
> > > Backward-looking, not forward thinking??
> > > Beating dead horses???
> > >
> > > > To paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld,
> > > > (HA!) the ANS publishes the papers
> > > > it receives Not so for COAC! Talk
> > > > with Mossman!, not the papers it
> > > > doesn't receive. My most recent
> > > > submittal to CNL was rejected
> > > > becaus it conflicted with the
> > > > editor's cokamamey ideas.!
> > >
> > > So the editor exercised editorial discretion in
> > > rejecting your contribution. He is supposed to
> > > do this. No doubt you circulated your paper
> > > privately in the hope of winning the support of
> > > others, so as to overturn his decision (you
> > > could hardly have appealed to the ANS
> > > leadership, since you have burned your bridges
> > > there!).
> > >
> > > > Perhaps some papers on Colonial
> > > > numismatics have been siphoned off
> > > > to The Colonial Newsletter? One!
> > > > Mossman's paper on error coinage!
> > > > Or perhaps the interest and
> > > > researchers you think should have
> > > > been there...weren't there?
> > > > Speculate all you wish - Would you
> > > > have fired the curator of Greek or
> > > > Roman coins to hire a curator of
> > > > Colonial coins? Another STUPID
> > > > statement! THINK what you are
> > > > saying! The actual Curator of
> > > > Greek coins at the ANS left saying
> > > > "I cannot stand the environment"
> > > > and her chair was endowed and she
> > > > did not need to be "bought-out" by
> > > > the ANS! That environment has not
> > > > changed today! I am working to
> > > > change it!
> > >
> > > Your efforts so far have insulted and offended
> > > anyone who might be in a position to change
> > > things, and gotten you kicked off the ANS list
> > > itself. A great success.
> > >
> > > > You make it difficult to support
> > > > you I am not asking for your
> > > > support
> > >
> > > Huh? What about your previous sentence? I'm
> > > on the ANS Advisory Committee, remember.
> > >
> > > > when you take such a narrow-minded,
> > > > parochial view of the broad field
> > > > of numismatics. You have no idea
> > > > what my writing in the field of
> > > > numismatics or medals encompases!
> > > > Believe it or not, you may learn
> > > > something of value for the study of
> > > > Colonial coins from reading
> > > > research on coins of other eras and
> > > > places, particularly in the area of
> > > > numismatic methodology Would you
> > > > like a list of the numismatic
> > > > references that I use on a regular
> > > > basis?
> > >
> > > > Best regards,Bob Leonard And just
> > > > what are your credentials? I find
> > > > only 12 hits in NIPs for Robert D.
> > > > Leonard. You will find 72 for
> > > > Spilman - and look at the subject
> > > > matter. You have some catching up
> > > > to do if you are Robert D, and who
> > > > the heck is RLWinnetka -?-
> > >
> > > Perhaps one reason for your lack of success is
> > > your inability to distinguish between an e-mail
> > > address and a name. Let me explain: my e-mail
> > > address is simply my initials followed by my
> > > place of residence. Pretty STUPID! Unless I
> > > receive a sincere apology for your gratuitous
> > > insults within 24 hours, I will delete any
> > > messages from you without reading them But what
> > > about all the other folk who are also reading
> > > them???. Now they KNOW you are a DUMMY! I
> > > too am working to change and improve the ANS (a
> > > monumental task), and can easily do it with no
> > > input from you.
> > >
> > > Be sure to attend the ANS meeting in MARCH,
> > > DUMMY!
> > >
> > > Bob Leonard PRIVATE EMAIL
> >
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Thanks "rob" - I have been in hot water for 78 years and have
learned to tolerate it quite well. After a career in the Aero-Space
industry, one can survive anything and still chuckle from time to time.
You are aware, I am certain, that some folk believe that YOU are Mario.
I note from YOUR full header that:
X-UIDL: 20050225020938s1400lqjq8e0024ah
and also that: Received:
 
from n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.51]) by sccrmxc14.comcast.net
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<20050225020937s1400fhn0de>; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 02:09:37 +0000
Best - Jim/CNLF
================================
rob wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><style></style>
Jim;I told you that this is not Mario,.....and
as far as New Jersey fakes, the answer is no! He sold all his New Jersey's
privately about a month or so ago to a C-4 member who's identity will not
be given, anyway, looks like somebody just put you in hot waterRob of Roy
in Michigan
<blockquote
style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----</div>

<div
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">From:
<a href="mailto:JCSpilman1@Comcast.NET" title="JCSpilman1@Comcast.NET">JCSpilman</a></div>

<div style="FONT: 10pt arial">To: <a href="mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" title="colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com">eGroup-ColonialCoins</a>
; <a href="mailto:AMNUMSOC-1@yahoogroups.com" title="AMNUMSOC-1@yahoogroups.com">eGroup
AMNUMSOC-1</a></div>

<div style="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005
5:39 PM</div>

<div style="FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re:
[AMNUMSOC-1] Re: What happened here?</div>
Hi all -
Well - he's back. Never knows when to
quit! Old Winnetka, or Reynolds, or Ivriped, or perhaps it really
is Mario!
 Sure writes like Mario!
PRIVATE EMAIL
<a href="mailto:RLWinnetka@aol.com">RLWinnetka@aol.com</a> wrote:
<blockquote TYPE="CITE"> Dear
Mr. Spilman: So
instead of an apology, .......................... you have
descended into name calling. .................I really think that
you have gone over the edge, Jim, and should seek medical help for your
condition. ...........................
I'm a great fan of Lexapro! 
Instead of acknowledging and apologizing for your previous errors, ....................
heck - I don't even apologize for my future
errors .............................
you have committed new ones: "black-tie awards?" .....................
What's that? Those are the nothing
awards given by self-admiration societies. 
You claim, on the one hand, to know who I am from NIP hits, ............................
then in the same posting profess not even to know who you are responding
to?! I too am a dummy - been
thrown out of some of the best Societies. 
Which is it? 
Ask King Groves - he knows full well, and if he knows who you
are he may tell you
about me. ......................... 
Why keep pretending not to know a Fellow 
(another of those self-admiration awards) 
of the ANS, ......................who found this list from the official
ANS list? Now
that IS an accomplishment since more than 60% are out of date. A
new IT manager will be able to fix that in a hurry.
This is a sickness on your part. You know perfectly well who I am--
...................... Mario?
.......................
I have always signed my name and identified
myself. <font col

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