[Colonial Numismatics] Wood 33

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The obverse has a bust right laureat portrait described as having a 'pug' nose. The legend was transcribed as GLORIOVS in the Charlton catalogue, but from this example it is clear that the thin line on the right side of the letter taken to be a second O is acutally a U.

.....The above taken from the following page on the Notre Dame site.....

http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/ColCoinText/Blacksmith.2.html

....John, I'm not a member of the Blacksmith Coppers egroup, but haven't you concluded that due to the punched letters and planchet quality of these BITIT/BRTIT coppers that they are more than likely British made evasions, as Morris pointed out.

johnmenc@optonline.net wrote:

The problem has been on low grade examples or examples below VF the
legend indeed appears as GLORIOVS and BITIT. On higher grade
examples XF or higher its a completely? different story.

--- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, johnmenc@o... wrote:
>
> Not old ... the 5th CURRENT edition of Canadian Colonial Tokens by
> W.K.Cross - a Charlton Standard Catalogue still has BL-37 (wood
33)
> on page 221 as GLORIOVS III. VIS and the reverse as BITIT.
>
> --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, Steve Frank
> <taxi_steve929@y...> wrote:
> > The old thought is that the second O is actually a U....and the
L
> can be an E.....Still have the repetative Multiple Choice answers
> for the obverse though John....
> >
> > johnmenc@o... wrote:
> > I will supply the correct answers Monday night - but I plan to
> > submit two high grade W33 coins to CNL with a Tech Note article
on
> > Wood 33's correct legend. The reverse answer - seems easier with
> the
> > photos. There is a TON of die polishing along the tops of these
> > obverse letters that DOES NOT come up in the obverse scan and
> which
> > can sometimes make a "U" appear as an "O" !
> >
> > John Lorenzo
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, Steve Frank
> > <taxi_steve929@y...> wrote:
> > > John,
> > > For clarity, there is a mistake in your quiz. Obverse a and d
> are
> > the same...I believe you meant to have the d selection as the
one
> > Gord chose, GLORIOVS.
> > >
> > > It's always tougher working from a 72 dpi photo than looking
at
> > the real coin, but you have the the most detailed Wood 33 I've
seen
> > (Not that I've seen many<s>). After playing around with your
> photo
> > I would have to say reverse b (BRTIT). And obverse d (GLORIOVS).
> > >
> > > It's tough with only 72dpi to look at, but after enhancements,
> it
> > almost looks like a possible 4 and 6 in the exergue....but I
know
> > that can't be true.
> > >
> > > I've included a smaller enhanced photo of the Notre Dame
example.
> > >
> > > I've also included a marked and unmarked exergue blowup to
show
> > where the percieved 4 and 6 are. I'm about 99.99% sure this
> ghostly
> > image is simply a pixel mirage.
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > > johnmenc@o... wrote:
> > >
> > > For clarity - for anyone wishing to answer - if the could use
> this
> > > type of format:
> > >
> > > Obverse - a
> > > Reverse - a
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks. JPL.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "palmers4@e..."
> > > <palmers4@e...> wrote:
> > > > Gord, I am in full agreement with the obverse legend of this
> > > Evasion. David
> > > >
> > > > Original Message:
> > > > -----------------
> > > > From: Gord Nichols gnichols@c...
> > > > Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:48:58 -0500
> > > > To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood 33
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > GLORIOVS
> > > > b
> > > > Gord
> > > > www.canadian-token.org
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: John Lorenzo
> > > > To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 9:39 PM
> > > > Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood 33
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What is the legend on this piece. For the obverse is it:
> > > >
> > > > a. GLORIUVS
> > > > b. GEORIUVS
> > > > c. GEORIOVS
> > > > d. GLORIUVS
> > > >
> > > > For the reverse is it:
> > > >
> > > > a. BITIT
> > > > b. BRTIT
> > > > c. can't tell
> > > > d. I don't care I collect State Coppers
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<DIV>The obverse has a bust right laureat portrait described as having a 'pug' nose. The legend was transcribed as GLORIOVS in the Charlton catalogue, but from this example it is clear that the thin line on the right side of the letter taken to be a second O is acutally a U.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>.....The above taken from the following page on the Notre Dame site.....</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/ColCoinText/Blacksmith.2.html">http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/ColCoinText/Blacksmith.2.html</A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>....John, I'm not a member of the Blacksmith Coppers egroup, but haven't you concluded that due to the punched letters and planchet quality of these BITIT/BRTIT coppers that they are more than likely British made evasions, as Morris pointed out. johnmenc@optonline.net wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><TT> The problem has been on low grade examples or examples below VF the legend indeed appears as GLORIOVS and BITIT. On higher grade examples XF or higher its a completely? different story. --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, johnmenc@o... wrote: > > Not old ... the 5th CURRENT edition of Canadian Colonial Tokens by > W.K.Cross - a Charlton Standard Catalogue still has BL-37 (wood 33) > on page 221 as GLORIOVS III. VIS and the reverse as BITIT. > > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, Steve Frank > <taxi_steve929@y...> wrote: > > The old thought is that the second O is actually a U....and the L > can be an E.....Still have the repetative Multiple Choice answers > for the obverse though John.... > > > > johnmenc@o... wrote: > > I will supply the
correct answers Monday night - but I plan to > > submit two high grade W33 coins to CNL with a Tech Note article on > > Wood 33's correct legend. The reverse answer - seems easier with > the > > photos. There is a TON of die polishing along the tops of these > > obverse letters that DOES NOT come up in the obverse scan and > which > > can sometimes make a "U" appear as an "O" ! > > > > John Lorenzo > > > > > > > > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, Steve Frank > > <taxi_steve929@y...> wrote: > > > John, > > > For clarity, there is a mistake in your quiz. Obverse a and d > are > > the same...I believe you meant to have the d selection as the one > > Gord chose, GLORIOVS. > > > > > > It's always tougher working from a 72 dpi photo than looking at
 > > the real coin, but you have the the most detailed Wood 33 I've seen > > (Not that I've seen many<s>). After playing around with your > photo > > I would have to say reverse b (BRTIT). And obverse d (GLORIOVS). > > > > > > It's tough with only 72dpi to look at, but after enhancements, > it > > almost looks like a possible 4 and 6 in the exergue....but I know > > that can't be true. > > > > > > I've included a smaller enhanced photo of the Notre Dame example. > > > > > > I've also included a marked and unmarked exergue blowup to show > > where the percieved 4 and 6 are. I'm about 99.99% sure this > ghostly > > image is simply a pixel mirage. > > > > > >
Steve > > > > > > johnmenc@o... wrote: > > > > > > For clarity - for anyone wishing to answer - if the could use > this > > > type of format: > > > > > > Obverse - a > > > Reverse - a > > > > > > > > > Thanks. JPL. > > > > > > > > > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "palmers4@e..." > > > <palmers4@e...> wrote: > > > > Gord, I am in full agreement with the obverse legend of this > > > Evasion. David > > > > > > > > Original Message: > > > > ----------------- > > > > From: Gord Nichols gnichols@c... > > > > Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:48:58 -0500 > > > > To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood 33 > >
> > > > > > > > > > GLORIOVS > > > > b > > > > Gord > > > > www.canadian-token.org > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: John Lorenzo > > > > To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 9:39 PM > > > > Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood 33 > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the legend on this piece. For the obverse is it: > > > > > > > > a. GLORIUVS > > > > b. GEORIUVS > > > > c. GEORIOVS > > > > d. GLORIUVS > > > > > > > > For the reverse is it: > > > > > > >
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