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From: johnmenc@optonline.net
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood 33
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Absolutely an evasion due to the planchet diagnostics just as many
of the late Blacksmith Wood 30's & 40's are more than likely British
imported contemporary counterfeits ... to Byron's liking ...
nevertheless ... just trying to confirm this legend ... hate to
admit it ... but someone like Neil or Gary T. need to do thier photo
mastery on my two high grade specimens... to FINALLY put this issue
to bed.
--- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, Steve Frank
<taxi_steve929@y...> wrote:
> The obverse has a bust right laureat portrait described as having
a 'pug' nose. The legend was transcribed as GLORIOVS in the Charlton
catalogue, but from this example it is clear that the thin line on
the right side of the letter taken to be a second O is acutally a U.
>
> .....The above taken from the following page on the Notre Dame
site.....
>
> http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/ColCoinText/Blacksmith.2.html
>
> ....John, I'm not a member of the Blacksmith Coppers egroup, but
haven't you concluded that due to the punched letters and planchet
quality of these BITIT/BRTIT coppers that they are more than likely
British made evasions, as Morris pointed out.
>
>
> johnmenc@o... wrote:
>
> The problem has been on low grade examples or examples below VF
the
> legend indeed appears as GLORIOVS and BITIT. On higher grade
> examples XF or higher its a completely? different story.
>
>
> --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, johnmenc@o... wrote:
> >
> > Not old ... the 5th CURRENT edition of Canadian Colonial Tokens
by
> > W.K.Cross - a Charlton Standard Catalogue still has BL-37 (wood
> 33)
> > on page 221 as GLORIOVS III. VIS and the reverse as BITIT.
> >
> > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, Steve Frank
> > <taxi_steve929@y...> wrote:
> > > The old thought is that the second O is actually a U....and
the
> L
> > can be an E.....Still have the repetative Multiple Choice
answers
> > for the obverse though John....
> > >
> > > johnmenc@o... wrote:
> > > I will supply the correct answers Monday night - but I plan to
> > > submit two high grade W33 coins to CNL with a Tech Note
article
> on
> > > Wood 33's correct legend. The reverse answer - seems easier
with
> > the
> > > photos. There is a TON of die polishing along the tops of
these
> > > obverse letters that DOES NOT come up in the obverse scan and
> > which
> > > can sometimes make a "U" appear as an "O" !
> > >
> > > John Lorenzo
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, Steve Frank
> > > <taxi_steve929@y...> wrote:
> > > > John,
> > > > For clarity, there is a mistake in your quiz. Obverse a and
d
> > are
> > > the same...I believe you meant to have the d selection as the
> one
> > > Gord chose, GLORIOVS.
> > > >
> > > > It's always tougher working from a 72 dpi photo than looking
> at
> > > the real coin, but you have the the most detailed Wood 33 I've
> seen
> > > (Not that I've seen many<s>). After playing around with your
> > photo
> > > I would have to say reverse b (BRTIT). And obverse d
(GLORIOVS).
> > > >
> > > > It's tough with only 72dpi to look at, but after
enhancements,
> > it
> > > almost looks like a possible 4 and 6 in the exergue....but I
> know
> > > that can't be true.
> > > >
> > > > I've included a smaller enhanced photo of the Notre Dame
> example.
> > > >
> > > > I've also included a marked and unmarked exergue blowup to
> show
> > > where the percieved 4 and 6 are. I'm about 99.99% sure this
> > ghostly
> > > image is simply a pixel mirage.
> > > >
> > > > Steve
> > > >
> > > > johnmenc@o... wrote:
> > > >
> > > > For clarity - for anyone wishing to answer - if the could
use
> > this
> > > > type of format:
> > > >
> > > > Obverse - a
> > > > Reverse - a
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks. JPL.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "palmers4@e..."
> > > > <palmers4@e...> wrote:
> > > > > Gord, I am in full agreement with the obverse legend of
this
> > > > Evasion. David
> > > > >
> > > > > Original Message:
> > > > > -----------------
> > > > > From: Gord Nichols gnichols@c...
> > > > > Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:48:58 -0500
> > > > > To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood 33
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > GLORIOVS
> > > > > b
> > > > > Gord
> > > > > www.canadian-token.org
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: John Lorenzo
> > > > > To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 9:39 PM
> > > > > Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood 33
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What is the legend on this piece. For the obverse is it:
> > > > >
> > > > > a. GLORIUVS
> > > > > b. GEORIUVS
> > > > > c. GEORIOVS
> > > > > d. GLORIUVS
> > > > >
> > > > > For the reverse is it:
> > > > >
> > > > > a. BITIT
> > > > > b. BRTIT
> > > > > c. can't tell
> > > > > d. I don't care I collect State Coppers
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