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Hi Neil --

You are correct in what you say below.

Many years ago at NASA we started dubbing the varoius Operating
Systems and monitors of personal computers as "Dumb" terminals or
"Smart" terminals. In today's nomenclature -- a PC running
Windows XP is a "Dumb" terminal. A PC running Linux is a "Smart"
terminal. All MACs are"Smart" terminals. Hence my often
stated shibbolith "GET A MAC", especially if you are doing
imaging work. Or - GET LINUX! It is free!

The point of my discussion is that the .JPG standard sets the
capability to store a hugh amount of information in addition to
the image itself! To read it one needs a "Smart" terminal. As
far as imaging goes -- a PC running MS OS XP (or earlier) CAN be
made "Smart" with the addition of certain software. I have
already pointed out the source of such EXIF software - freebies
all.

Neil -- were you aware that the EXIF data embed section contained
all the information that it does? There are some instances where
you may NOT want that information transmitted to others. It can
be readily removed if you are running a "Smart" terminal.

It will also help if those running a commercial Imaging System --
PhotoShop, IrrfanView, etc. -- read their instruction manuals.

A "dumb" PC running MS OS XP can obtain these embeded files IF
you tell it what software to use -- or send it to the Internet to
find the proper software. That is what I call the "stupid box"
that always pops up when a file does not have an extension
attached. A PC does not even know what to do with a .DOC file if
the .DOC extension is not attached. A MAC does!

More later if necessary.

Jim/CNLF

Neil Rothschild wrote:

> Jim,
>
> Aside from the need to name files and provide standard file
> extensions, I do not believe that the extensive group
> discussion that you embedded in the comments are viewable in
> any or many common Windows imaging apps. I tried to view them
> in ACDSee V.70 and IrfanView 3.95 and PhotoShop CS (all the
> latest and greatest versions, and with the $700 professional
> latest Photoshop version, not the consumer elements 2.0
> version).
>
> For the benefit of the group members, I attached Clem�s image
> as I believe you last uploaded, along with your 4 un-named
> attachments, simply saved and renamed with .pict extensions. I
> can read those .pict files with ACDSee and IrfanView, for
> example, but not with the default Windows Picture and Fax
> Viewer that is supplied with windows. These files are named
> jcs1.pict, jcs2.pict, jcs3.pict and jcs4.pict.
>
> To be clear, these four attachments appear to be screen prints
> from Jim�s MAC based image editor/viewer.
>
> I opened those 4 .pict files and saved them as .jpg files and
> will attach them to a following post. Anyone that cannot read
> .pict files can open the jpg files to see what you/we are
> talking about. Jcs3.pict and jcs3.jpg contain the extensive
> comments that I *cannot* read in any of my windows imaging
> programs.
>
> While it is unfortunate that Windows apps apparently cannot
> read and display the XMP comments (jcs3.jpg), it is a fact that
> 95% of the personal computers in use are windows based and we
> have to recognize and accommodate this.
>
> I hope that this helps to clarify the issues here�.
>
> Regards,
>
> Neil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JCSpilman
> Sent:Friday, April 15, 200511:56 PM
> To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] MORE: "Comments"
> in .JPG files]
>
> Jeff -- et al
>
> This is another unfortunate example of the MS PC operating
> system being a "dumb" system. The four files with the red X
> on your displays are .PICT format. This is one of 80 someodd
> image file formats in the world today, and unfortunately about
> the only ones that MS PCs understand are .JPG, and .GIF.
> While Windows cannot understand them, most other Imaging
> applications can understand all of them. If you are using
> Linux, for example, you should have no problems as it is
> considered a "smart" OS.
>
> Thanks for pointing out the problem. I don't have the same
> problem with my PC because it is an HP PC Microsoft XP Media
> Center m1070n and it has the HP and other Imaging software
> built in. It is almost as good as a MAC when it comes to
> imaging and manipulation. With the installation of IrfanView
> and Windows Media Player applications, it is just incredible.
> It will even take an incoming video or FM program and record it
> on DVD in real time.
>
> Tomorrow, as time permits, I will convert those four .PICT
> files to .JPG and retransmit them. You too can make this
> conversion via. PhotoShop but most folk have not the foggiest
> idea of how to use it! Graphic Converter 5.4 Classic that I
> use here on the MACs will convert any format into any other
> format, now more that 80 different imaging formats currently in
> use. I am uncertain about IrfanView for PC.
>
> Jim/CNLF
>
> =========================================
>
> Rosaamltd@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Jim, hate to be one of the people raining on the JPEG parade,
>> but on your two posts, all I could see was the picutre of
>> Clem's coins and 4 small boxes with a red "X" within them, a
>> sign that Windows doesn't know what in the world to do with
>> them...and everything I had in terms of software couldn't
>> open them or read anything that was inside them. I suspect
>> that all of us with Windows based machines (I use XP edition)
>> are having the same problem...it's not that we're not trying
>> to understand this! Jeff
>>
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Hi Neil --
You are correct in what you say below.
Many years ago at NASA we started dubbing the varoius Operating Systems
and monitors of personal computers as "Dumb" terminals or "Smart" terminals.
In today's nomenclature -- a PC running Windows XP is a "Dumb" terminal.
A PC running Linux is a "Smart" terminal. All MACs are"Smart"
terminals. Hence my often stated shibbolith "GET A MAC", especially
if you are doing imaging work. Or - GET LINUX! It is free!
The point of my discussion is that the .JPG standard sets the capability
to store a hugh amount of information in addition to the image itself!
To read it one needs a "Smart" terminal. As far as imaging goes --
a PC running MS OS XP (or earlier) CAN be made "Smart" with
the addition of certain software. I have already pointed out
the source of such EXIF software - freebies all.
Neil -- were you aware that the EXIF data embed section contained all
the information that it does? There are some instances where you
may NOT want that information transmitted to others. It can
be readily removed if you are running a "Smart" terminal.
It will also help if those running a commercial Imaging System -- PhotoShop,
IrrfanView, etc. -- read their instruction manuals.
A "dumb" PC running MS OS XP can obtain these embeded files IF
you tell it what software to use -- or send it to the Internet to find
the proper software. That is what I call the "stupid box" that always
pops up when a file does not have an extension attached. A PC does
not even know what to do with a .DOC file if the .DOC extension is not
attached. A MAC does!
More later if necessary.
Jim/CNLF
Neil Rothschild wrote:
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Jim,



Aside
from the need to name files and provide standard file extensions, I do
not believe that the extensive group discussion that you embedded in the
comments are viewable in any or many common Windows imaging apps.
I tried to view them in ACDSee V.70 and IrfanView 3.95 and PhotoShop CS
(all the latest and greatest versions, and with the $700 professional latest
Photoshop version, not the consumer elements 2.0 version).



For
the benefit of the group members, I attached Clem�s image as I believe
you last uploaded, along with your 4 un-named attachments, simply saved
and renamed with .pict extensions. I can read those .pict files with
ACDSee and IrfanView, for example, but not with the default Windows Picture
and Fax Viewer that is supplied with windows. These files are named
jcs1.pict, jcs2.pict, jcs3.pict and jcs4.pict. 



To
be clear, these four attachments appear to be screen prints from Jim�s
MAC based image editor/viewer.



I
opened those 4 .pict files and saved them as .jpg files and will attach
them to a following post. Anyone that cannot read .pict files can
open the jpg files to see what you/we are talking about. Jcs3.pict
and jcs3.jpg contain the extensive comments that I *cannot*
read in any of my windows imaging programs.



While
it is unfortunate that Windows apps apparently cannot read and display
the XMP comments (jcs3.jpg), it is a fact that 95% of the personal computers
in use are windows based and we have to recognize and accommodate this.



I
hope that this helps to clarify the issues here�.



Regards,

Neil



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Jeff
-- et al 

This
is another unfortunate example of the MS PC operating system being
a "dumb" system. The four files with the red X on your displays
are .PICT format. This is one of 80 someodd image file formats in
the world today, and unfortunately about the only ones that MS PCs understand
are .JPG, and .GIF. While Windows cannot understand them,
most other Imaging applications can understand all of them.
If you are using Linux, for example, you should have no problems as it
is considered a "smart" OS. 

Thanks
for pointing out the problem. I don't have the same problem
with my PC because it is an HP PC Microsoft XP Media Center
m1070n and it has the HP and other Imaging software built in.
It is almost as good as a MAC when it comes to imaging and manipulation.
With the installation of IrfanView and Windows Media Player applications,
it is just incredible. It will even take an incoming video or FM
program and record it on DVD in real time. 

Tomorrow,
as time permits, I will convert those four .PICT files to .JPG and retransmit
them. You too can make this conversion via. PhotoShop but most folk
have not the foggiest idea of how to use it! Graphic Converter 5.4
Classic that I use here on the MACs will convert any format into any other
format, now more that 80 different imaging formats currently in use.
I am uncertain about IrfanView for PC. 

Jim/CNLF 

=========================================
 

Rosaamltd@aol.com
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Jim, hate to be one of the people raining on the JPEG parade, but on your
two posts, all I could see was the picutre of Clem's coins and 4 small
boxes with a red "X" within them, a sign that Windows doesn't know what
in the world to do with them...and everything I had in terms of software
couldn't open them or read anything that was inside them. I suspect
that all of us with Windows based machines (I use XP edition) are having
the same problem...it's not that we're not trying to understand this! Jeff</div>
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