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The casting process probably used for the GEORGE II and GEORGE III 1/2d and 1/4d's was UNQUESTIONABLY a form of the Darby process. Here is a good back and forth between Peter King and Edgar?. Read Edgar's post first ... understanding the fine art of casting (i.e., the lead percentage is SO important <BG>) it may help 2-3 of you in collecting this UGLY TYPE.
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 01:01:01 +0100 From: Peter King <peter@PETERKINGIRON.FREESERVE.CO.UK> Subject: Re: Sand casting developed by Abraham Darby
I am not sure that we really know for certain. There were no patent specifications at that period, so that the patent only describes the process in a few words. It almost certainly involved patterns (probably of wood) around which the sand mould was formed. Today this is such a normal part of casting that no one thinks twice about it.
The difficulty is that we do not really know how pots were cast previously. I think I have seen something to the effect that guns were cast like pots. Since there are descriptions of gunfounding, we can presumably deduce how pots were made. If so, a core was formed; then a grass rope was wound around it; and a smooth surface formed over that. On top of that a loam mould was created. The rope was removed leaving a void into which the metal was poured. After that the mould had to be broken to get the pot out and a new mould made from scratch for the next pot.
It is presumed that Darby's process of casting in 'green' sand meant that he could rapidly (and repeatedly) produce moulds. The best recent article in the subject is N. Cox, 'Imagination and innovation of an industrial pioneer: The first Abraham Darby' Ind. Arch. Rev. 12(2) (1990), 127-144. She was able to show that Darby's pots were thinner than those made by the old method. With less metal, they were inherently cheaper, quite apart from any saving in workmanship. Prior to Darby's arrival at Coalbrookdale many blast furnaces cast small quantities of pots each year. Within a few years, this ceased and Darby appears to have had the market to himself, that is until there began to be imitators after his patent expired.
I see your source is Samuel Smiles - I do not regard him as a source to be used, except where he is quoting documents which are not available to us today.
Peter King
-----Original Message----- From: Arch-Metals Group [mailto:ARCH-METALS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK]On Behalf Of No Name Sent: 25 April 2005 18:58 To: Peter King Subject: Sand casting developed by Abraham Darby
I posted this to the Britarch list and was advised to post here instead.
I read that Abraham Darby developed a system of sand casting that allowed for mass production of iron bowls. Also that the sand casting basics were obtained from Holland, and he imported Dutch experts, who along with his brass casting experts from Bristol, developed this process for him. http://www.worldwideschool.org/library/books/hst/biography/Industrial Biogra phy/chap6.html I am aware of basic sand casting, but could someone give me a description on Darby's process?
Thanks, Edgar
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