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Return-Path: <johnmenc@optonline.net> X-Sender: johnmenc@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86103 invoked from network); 18 May 2005 01:13:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2005 01:13:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2005 01:13:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2005 01:13:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2005 01:13:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 01:13:51 -0000 To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <d6e4sf+6es1@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <d6dqg4+dft9@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 7872 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.83.172.112 From: "John Lorenzo" <johnmenc@optonline.net> Subject: Re: Hudson Bay Artifact HB Oval Lead Pieces X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=111282553 X-Yahoo-Profile: colonial_john_c4
Bob- Check out this recent E-Mail: particularly the notation of 1=20 Made Beaver in lead tokens ... still checking ... not sure if this=20 is related at all ... you would not happen to have Larry Gingras=20 rare book on Hudson Bay Comapany coinage ... anyone???
John, =20 Almost an exact quote of an earlier email I sent you, with a couple=20 of major changes (which I highlighted in red). First, the comment=20 that the early tokens were made of lead. Secondly, that these=20 tokens were rarely circulated. This is pretty much in line with=20 what the HBC archivist told me.=20=20 =20 The question is what research was done to make the statement that=20 Jim Tretheway makes here. =20 I will try to track down Mr. Tretheway. =20 Don EARLY MONEY OF CANADA by Jim Trethewey
The story of the early money of Canada is a colorful story of=20 improvisation.=20
The amount of actual coinage in the world increased dramatically=20 throughout the 16th and 17th centuries due to the Spanish mints in=20 the New World that controlled vast supplies of gold and silver,=20 minted in the form of gold "doubloons" and the 8 Reales milled=20 dollar. Even though Canada was relatively near these sources of=20 currency (compared to the Old World), extremely little of it made=20 its way to Canada; the bulk of it went to Europe and to trade with=20 the Orient.=20
The earliest history of Canada (shared with that of the Pacific=20 Northwest of the United States) is that of the fur trapper. The=20 currency of the time was animal pelts, primarily beaver, and to a=20 lesser extent, otter and silver fox. They were traded for goods at=20 their intrinsic value; a "made beaver" (a single prepared skin)=20 traded from an exchange rate of =A310 in 1668 to =A35 in 1772, =A32 in=20 1812, =A31 10/ in 1820, and =A31 in 1827, where it essentially stayed=20 from then on. The declining value is related directly to the number=20 of trappers in business who increased the market supply of furs. The=20 Hudson's Bay Company "bought" these furs from the trappers at the=20 various Hudson Bay trading posts. After a batch of furs had been=20 valued, tokens representing the total value would be placed on the=20 counter. Then the trapper would select whatever goods he wanted to=20 purchase, and the value of each would be indicated by the removal of=20 the appropriate token(s) from the counter. In this way, buyers would=20 know when they were out of money. These tokens were first made from=20 lead in the denomination of 1 Made Beaver, and later from brass and=20 aluminum in denominations of 1, 5, 10, 20, 25, and 50 Made Beaver.=20 They very rarely left the trading post or were circulated.=20
The French colonists of Lower Canada (Quebec) initially used barter=20 for all transactions, but as the population increased, the need for=20 some form of currency became greater. Any available coinage of=20 intrinsic value, such as gold and silver, was quickly exported to=20 European traders that would only accept this form of payment for=20 manufactured goods. From 1685 to 1763, playing cards were traded as=20 money by local colonists. Essentially an IOU, the cards had written=20 on them their value and the name of who would redeem them. A very=20 limited supply of French coinage also circulated; most of this made=20 its way back to Europe. An attempt was made to produce coinage in=20 France expressly for use in Canada in the denomination of 1 Sou,=20 with partial success.=20
Generally, the European governments were much less concerned about=20 monetary shortages in the colonies than they were about having cash=20 to pay their respective troops to promote the various wars being=20 waged on the continent. So, when Canada became a wholly English=20 colony in 1763, there was only a small influx of British coinage.=20
After the American Revolution, many of the British sympathisers=20 moved from the United States to Canada (often because their real- estate was dispossessed). These colonists were accustomed to dealing=20 in token coinage that circulated widely in the United States at that=20 time. The merchants among them both imported this coinage and began=20 minting their own. This as well as federal issues of the United=20 States made their way into the coinage void in Canada. The latter=20 had a profound effect. Even though Britian did not adopt a decimal=20 monetary system until 1971, the first government-issue Canadian=20 coinage became decimal.=20
Merchant token coinage was produced in bulk in Canada from 1812,=20 primarily from copper in denominations of =BD penny and 1 penny. They=20 were both produced locally and imported from private minters of=20 England and Ireland. These tokens had a variety of interesting=20 advertising or political slogans, such as: Encourage Country=20 Importers, Fishery Rights for Newfoundland, Pure Copper Preferable=20 to Paper, No Labour -- No Bread, Speed the Plough, Success to the=20 Fishery, Prosperity to Canada, and Responsible Government & Free=20 Trade. Many merchants also had more mundane nomenclature, such as:=20 Gass' Tea Store, Blakely & Co. Salt Goods Warehouse, and Robert=20 Purvess Cheap Family Store. Most of these tokens can be obtained=20 today for $15.00 each or less.=20
Local banks, especially the Bank of Montreal, Bank of Quebec, and=20 Bank of Upper Canada (Ontario), produced copper =BD penny and 1 penny=20 tokens from 1823.=20
Britain finally attempted to produce government-approved coinage for=20 Canada in 1858. These coins were minted at the Royal Mint in London=20 and bore the legend "Province of Canada" upon them. This attempt was=20 only partially successful. Most colonists were particularly wary of=20 the 1 cent piece, which was considerably lighter in weight than the=20 bank tokens prevalent at the time. The other denominations were 5=20 cents, 10 cents, 20 cents, and 50 cents, all of silver.=20
At this time Newfoundland was considered a separate country (it=20 entered confederation with Canada in 1949) and separate coinage was=20 produced for it.=20
Canada obtained independence in 1867. The new government contracted=20 with the Royal Mint in London to produce official coinage, the first=20 large shipments of which arrived in 1870. The donominations produced=20 were 1 cent, 5 cents, 10 cents, 25 cents (shifting away from the 20=20 cent piece due to the influence of United States coinage), and 50=20 cents. These were in sufficient supply to finally replace most of=20 the non-government currency.=20
References:=20
[1] Standard Catalogue of Canadian Coins, Tokens, and Paper Money,=20 Thirteenth Edition. Charlton, J. E. Whitman Publishing Company,=20 Racine, Wisconsin, 1964. pp. 4-5.=20
[2] The Conquest of the Great Northwest; being the story of the=20 adventurers of England known as the Hudson's Bay Company. Laut,=20 Agnes C. Moffat & Yard, New York, New York, 1908.=20
[3] Since the Days of Barter. Nichols, Peter. The Numismatist,=20 Colorado Springs, Colorado, December 1968. pp. 1569-1574.=20
[4] Striking Impressions. Haxby, James A. The Royal Canadian Mint,=20 Ottowa, Onatario, Canada, 1983. pp. 27-36.=20
--- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Merchant" <bobm@c...>=20 wrote: > John, >=20 > If the "tokens" are holed, then they are probably tags. >=20 > Bob M. >=20 > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "John Lorenzo"=20 <johnmenc@o...>=20 > wrote: > > Gord & Bob - After your confirmation Bob on not being able to=20 find > a=20 > > plate or pictorial on a "HB" (letters attached) communion token - =20 > the=20 > > Manitoba Museum which houses the Hudson Bay Company holdings=20 also=20 > > believe these lead oval "HB" pieces may be significant. Talked=20 for=20 > an=20 > > hour with the owner - picked them up in Canada from a decoy=20 dealer=20 > who=20 > > had these in a canister, etc., etc..He's sending me a specimen=20 for=20 > > closer examination. > > Will keep you guys posted on these HB artifacts ... they do not=20 > appear=20 > > to be bale seals EITHER as Curator Hoge at the ANS gave me a=20 full=20 > > education on these prior to Ford IX with the ANS holdings. > >=20 > > JPL
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