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From: "John Lorenzo" <johnmenc@optonline.net>
Subject: Act of Tynwald: EXPOUNDED
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One thing that also needs to be expounded was this Act of Tynwald so
possibly the route of these ousted coins could better be followed
involving the outlawing the St.Pat's in the Isle of Mann.
Personally ... when ivestigating this coinage ... I was sick and
tired of seeing this one liner without any real follow-up. Here is
some more MEAT to this issue and hopefully this Isle of Mann coin
expert may be able to take this a level higher above a museum
historian who is obviously was void of any numismatic knowledge (not
her fault and of course expected). Her comments are enjoyable to
read and important as a starting point and as a possible source of
these ousted coins being linked to Sharpe & Newby ... see below ...
Dear John
I have talked to our historian, and she has pointed me to
information contained
in the Statutes of the Isle of Mann (IOM), edited by J. F. Gill in
1883. She did comment,
however, that you probably had more detail about the act than we had
access to!
From the Exchequer Book, 1682. No.33, pp.139-140
p.139
At the Court of Tynwald holden at St John's Chapell the 24th day of
June 1682.
It is ordered as followeth-
Whereas amongst other Laws made and proclaimed at this Court the
24th of June
1679, which Laws are altogether sleighted & neglected, but now are
revived and
ordered to be put in due execution under the penalty therein
prescribed, there
was a law made & published forbidding the passage of Brass & Copper
Moneyes but
such only as in the said enacted Law was allowed as by the same more
at lardge
appeareth notwithstanding which Law much Copper Money has been
brought in &
disposed through this Island without any permission or legal
authority, i.e.
out of Scotland halfe-penyes stamped with a Thistle of the worst or
basest sort
of Copper, and out of Irland Copper halfe-penyes, stamped with ye
Harpe, both
which halfe-penyes doe appeare to be in a plentiful manner disposed,
insomuch
that no considerable sum of Money can be paid, but part of the said
Copper
halfe-penyes is included which may in a short time be of great
prejudice and
detriment to the whole Island if noe timely course be taken for the
prevencon
of it.
It is therefore this day ordered by the Deputy Governor & officers
of this Court
whose names are subscribed with the advice and consent of the 24
Keyes now
assembled
p.140
yt the Copper halfe-penyes stamped with the Thistle & the Irish
halfe-penyes
stamped with the hapre, shall from the first of July next ensuing
(for the
necessity of change only) pass for a farthing a piece & no more.
And that the
sd Copper Money or halfe-penyes be paid or received for noe more by
any maner
of person in exchange or paymt after the sd day under such penalty &
damage as
may ensue to such persons as shall receive them or under the penalty
of the
mulke in the former Statute provided, which Statute notwithstanding
this order
is to be of full force & this to continue & be of force only & soe
published
till further or other order be declared to the contrary.
And whereas there is a great distraction in the Country about the
passage of
Groates by reason many groates call Rixum Groates are disposed
amongst us,
insomuch that the people are scupulous nay and oft deny the good as
well as the
bad.
It is therefore ordered that the good old Silver Groates shall pass
as formerly
and not be denied by any & that the Groates called Rixum Groates or
any other
false or counterfeitt Coyne shall be refused & are herby ordered not
to pass.
And as oft as any dispute ariseth touchinge the said Groates the
same is to be
tryed before the Deemsters, that is before Deemster Christian on the
North Side
and Deemster Fletcher on the South Side, who are hereby authorized
to take such
persons as they shall think fitt for their assistance to approve,
allow, or
diallow, of the said Groates, and such Groates as they shall find in
their own
judgments or by the advice of their Assistants to be Rixums,
counterfeitt or
nought, they are to be broken & made useles & unfitt to be offered
to pass for
the future. And if any be discovered to pass any of the
counterfeitt Moneys
out of a fraudulent manner to defraud or deceive any person of mean
Judgment
such persons to be fined and punished (besides the breakinge of the
said
Groates) as in their discretion shall be thought fitt, and this
course to be
holden till further Order or Law be declared or enacted to the
contrary.
Rich. Stevenson,
Edw. Christian,
Tho. Norris,
Tho. Flectcher,
Hen. Calcott,
Thos. Norris, jun.
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It may be that someone knows more - I can ask around. Let me know
if you have
any other specific questions which I could answer.
Bea as slaynt
Breesha
Quoting jlorenzo@ob.ilww.com:
> John Lorenzo
> Instrumentation Laboratory
> Environmental,Training & Calibration Coordinator
> 526 Route 303
> Orangeburg, New York 10962 USA
> 845-398-8632
> 845-365-8031 (fax)
> jlorenzo@ob.ilww.com (work)
>
> In 1679 a Isle of Man Parlaiment Act demonetized the use of this
coinage
> in the Isle of Man. Can you send me some associated information to
this
> demonetizing Act or major players in ousting this coinage from the
Isle of
> Man in 1679.
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Dr Breesha Maddrell
Stiureyder Studeyrys Eearcheimagh - Director of Postgraduate Studies
Laare-studeyrys Manninagh, 6 Keyll y Ree, Doolish, Mannin IM1 3LX
Centre for Manx Studies, 6 Kingswood Grove, Douglas, Isle of Man IM1
3LX
website: www.liv.ac.uk/ManxStudies
Studeyrys Manninagh e-Journal: www.manxstudies.ac.im
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