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All,
Attached is a fake double brockage of an 1829 bust half, ex-ebay Nov.2003. The consignor stated that it was excavated at a Civil War site in Winchester Virginia, and I had no reason to disbelieve him. It appears to have been made from pewter or some other soft metal.
Mike
> Craig, > That's what it looks like to me? I was hoping someone here may be able to > tell how it happened. > It reminded me of the Vermont you posted. Anyone? How does something like > this happen? > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: CMcdon0923@aol.com > To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:41:46 EDT > Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] NJ buttons/coins > > In a message dated 7/19/05 8:30:14 PM Central Daylight Time, > johnwlouis@aol.com writes: > > >> Craig, >> Didn't you see that funny looking backwards thing I posted? >> john >> > > > Yes....very interesting. It looked like both sides were impressions on > another LC...the obverse much more lightly but still appeared to be so. > > Was it, or was that just an illusion from the image? > >
My belief is that these fake brockages were another form of counterfeiting that seems to have been somewhat common during the mid-19th century-- since blank large cent planchets (and other useless coppers such as the VT RR-35) were readily available during this time period, "entrepeneurs" could squeeze the blanks between two real coins, thereby creating something that could circulate-- their reasoning being that uneducated or illiterate people wouldn't be able to tell the difference, or wouldn't care. I'll post another example later tonight after I work it up.
Mike
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><HTML><FONT SIZE=3D2 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY= =3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">All,<BR> <BR> Attached is a fake double brockage of an 1829 bust half, ex-ebay Nov.2003. = The consignor stated that it was excavated at a Civil War site in Wincheste= r Virginia, and I had no reason to disbelieve him. It appears to have been = made from pewter or some other soft metal. <BR> <BR> Mike<BR> <BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEF= T: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Craig,<BR> That's what it looks like to me? I was hoping someone here may be able to t= ell how it happened.<BR> It reminded me of the Vermont you posted. Anyone? How does something = like this happen?<BR> John<BR> <BR> -----Original Message-----<BR> From: CMcdon0923@aol.com<BR> To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com<BR> Sent: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:41:46 EDT<BR> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] NJ buttons/coins<BR> <BR> In a message dated 7/19/05 8:30:14 PM Central Daylight Time, johnwlouis@aol= .com writes:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEF= T: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Craig, <BR> Didn't you see that funny looking backwards thing I posted?<BR> john <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:= #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 PTSIZE=3D12 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Verdana" LANG= =3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:= #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"= 0"><BR> <BR> Yes....very interesting. It looked like both sides were impressions o= n another LC...the obverse much more lightly but still appeared to be so.<B= R> <BR> Was it, or was that just an illusion from the image?<BR> <BR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> My belief is that these fake brockages were another form of counterfeiting = that seems to have been somewhat common during the mid-19th century-- since= blank large cent planchets (and other useless coppers such as the VT RR-35= ) were readily available during this time period, "entrepeneurs" could sque= eze the blanks between two real coins, thereby creating something that coul= d circulate-- their reasoning being that uneducated or illiterate people wo= uldn't be able to tell the difference, or wouldn't care. I'll post another = example later tonight after I work it up.<BR> <BR> Mike <BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_1c8.2d038fd2.300f2265_alt_boundary--
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