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From: "John Lorenzo" <johnmenc@optonline.net>
Subject: HBC Lead Token
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Awhile back I posted a large HBC token procurred from an antique
dealer in Canada through a coin collector in Minnesota. Don Neumann
found some more information that early HBC tokens used by Indians of
Lower Canada & the Northwest Territory were made of lead. He writes:
John,
I haven't emailed you in a while, and I just wanted to update you on
my search for identifying the "HB Artifacts." In addition to
continuing contact with Canadian Universities and Researchers (who
haven't come up with anything definite), I started collecting out-of-
print books about the Hudson's Bay Company (HBC).
The attached page is extremely interesting. The book is The
Conquest of the Great Northwest by Agnes C. Laut published in 1911.
The claim is made that trade tokens made of lead were used by the
HBC. Furthermore, the claim is made that the lead came from the
lead of melted tea chests.
I have found pictures of lead tea chests on the Internet.
Evidently, lots of ingestible were packed in lead containers, since
they were waterproof and would survive the ocean voyages,
I originally thought that the artifacts, if authentic, would most
likely be made from melted ammunition (bullets or shot), but the tea
chests might make more sense. Few HBC people carried guns, since
they were too heavy and bulky and wouldn't travel well in the
canoes. The tea chests would be a readily available option.
Does this help any? I wonder if there is anything unique about the
lead used in the tea chests (and how would we find this out) that
would be of use. If they added an unusual blend of alloys, for
example, we might be able to link the two items.
Any other ideas?
Don
JPL:
The citation from Laut talks about the leaden tokens being casted?
as 1B, 2B, 3B, OR 4B with B= beaver pelts and with the tokens having
capital letters which Laut infers are fort locations or trading
posts known within the HBC circle of traders ... no real trace
however of these HBC tokens to any current museum holding like the
Bank of Canada or Mannitoba Museum although references to these
numerical "B" tokens has been briefly discussed in other references
of Canada's first money ... although both places were really
inspired by Neumann's HBC inscribed oversized leaden pieces.
If the opportunity presents itself I will probably do a piece on
these HBC pieces the next time the ANS-COAC addresses Canada.
Nothing yet on the St. Patrick's & the Dublin Historical Society ...
however November & the cold is almost here which should trigger some
what's up E-Mails ... the pieces being discarded from the Isle of
Mann keeps bugging me ...
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