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From: "Will Nipper" <wnippe@acxiom.com>
Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: Standish Barry 3d
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David,
Yeah, I hear you and agree. I would just like to see some early
reference that confirms a 1790(s) mintage. The denominaton 3d
certainly hints at an early mintage.
Where did the idea about the dies breaking after x strikings come
from? There must be some early documentation. I just don't remember
seeing anything definitive. I probably need to go back to Crosby --
just don't remember what he said about it.
If Standish Barry made them himself, he may not have been up to date
on all of those technological develepments. As a first-time/one time
coiner, he could have been going on his intuition of how it should be
done. You gotta admit, that complex border with his name intertwined
is pretty unusual for an American coin of any period. And he was,
after all, a silver/goldsmith and not a coiner. Whoever made the dies
evidently did not know how to make them so that they wouldn't break.
Did he/they use a press or a hammer?
It would also be interesting to know which of Barry's wares were
displayed in the 1828 procession, even if they weren't his tokens. The
article mentions several items, but not tokens. If the threepence
portrait is Barry and not Washington, does it depict a man in his late
twenties, as Barry would have been in 1790? He would have been about
46 in 1809 and in his late sixties in 1828. The detail on the tiny
tokens would be pretty remarkable for a man in his late sixties to
execute.
Ironically, the 1809 banner depicted "time" and carried the message "I
transmit thee to the future." -- Barry did just that with his tokens.
I have a chest-of-drawers that was made in North Carolina in the 1850s.
It is clearly of a style that was common in the 1850-1870 period and
it shows up in the 1859 inventory of a plantation. Even though
circular saws (after 1850) and other advances were available at that
time, this piece was made using older (17th/18th century) tools (can
tell from the tool marks and style of the mortises and dovetails,)
techniques, nails, etc. So, not everyone had access to the latest
technology.
This is just an opinion, but I also believe that Mott tokens were
backdated and that 1789 might commemorate New York's hosting the US
Capitol. I also think that the dies might have been used over a long
period of time, beginning when large cents still weighed 208 grains,
and possibly in both Britain and the US.
Thanks,
Will
> Will, this is very interesting. I am hoping Roger comes up with
some more
> interesting stuff to go along with it. I would be more apt to go
along with
> the backdating for a commemorative, YET I think the entire style
of the
> token would be different, if it were struck even as late as 1809.
19 years
> or more, is alot of time in the technology of minting in the US.
David
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