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Return-Path: <rokboy@comcast.net> X-Sender: rokboy@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86330 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2006 07:14:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2006 07:14:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc11.comcast.net) (204.127.202.55) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2006 07:14:33 -0000 Received: from xpbox (c-67-170-203-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net[67.170.203.0]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <20060103071407011005e173e>; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 07:14:08 +0000 Message-ID: <001a01c61035$4c2b3910$00cbaa43@xpbox> To: <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> References: <008b01c61009$4c20b5c0$2f01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 23:14:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C60FF2.39C4D120" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 204.127.202.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Mark Varney" <rokboy@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Fw: Question for item #8369531623 - 1776 Machin' Mills small date CEORCIVIS KEY DATE! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227517593; y=3gTTW-R_dZqw4HnN7mSM0HgT1llUAUJPqjMdWVhLTFy4hTE X-Yahoo-Profile: maui1177
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Byron,
This guy buried himself. I highly doubt his first language is English......= Mark ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Byron Weston=20 To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 5:59 PM Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Fw: Question for item #8369531623 - 1776 = Machin' Mills small date CEORCIVIS KEY DATE!
FYI Byron
----- Original Message -----=20 From: layce1@aol.com=20 To: bkweston@verizon.net=20 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 8:56 PM Subject: Re: Question for item #8369531623 - 1776 Machin' Mills small dat= e CEORCIVIS KEY DATE!
This is not a 1775, here is a close up on the date. I understand where yo= u are coming from, and I expected this reaction from knowledgeable coin col= lectors as yourself. I assure you that this is a 1776, and that this is the= correct weight in grains. If you look into the counterfits produced, you w= ill see that the vfast majority of them were much lighter than the authenti= c piece, and a few were much heavier. This coin has been looked at by many = dealers and specialists. I did expect this reaction on ebay, that is why I = have reserved an auction slot at the coin show. No harm done. But here's a = list of reasons why this coin is not a counterfeit:
1. Aging. The natural aging of the patina on this coin correlates to the = date. If this is a counterfeit, it could only be of the ones made during th= e original time period of this coin. And all of those specific counterfeits= were supposively seized and melted down, only making this "counterfeit" a= s you suspect even rarer.
2. Positioning of the "5". This is a 1776. The 6 resembles a five. Apon c= loser inspection of the picture i send you you will easily see that. Anyway= s, if it were a five it would have to mean that one mark on the press was o= ff out of the entire coin. That is highly unlikely, even for a counterfiet.= =20
3. I have obtained this coin from a highly respected dealer who will be a= t the show, and I doubt he would lead me to believe this is real, (even tho= ugh I already did the research), if it were counterfiet. Especially when he= plans to be there during the auction.
4. The counterfeits in question were made very poorly resembling the mach= in mills brand. Any familiar coin collector would easily see that. If you h= ave any questions. Feel free to email me back. =20=20=20 -----Original Message----- From: eBay Member: nonregal <member@ebay.com> To: layce1@aol.com Sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 14:16:58 -0800 Subject: Question for item #8369531623 - 1776 Machin' Mills small date CE= ORCIVIS KEY DATE!
=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 eBay sent this message to Jeanette Brown (riofre= sh). Your registered name is included to show this mes= sage originated from eBay. Learn more.=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Question about Item -- Respond Now=20=20 eBay sent this message on behalf of an eBay member via M= y Messages. Responses sent using email will go to the eBay member directly = and will include your email address. Click the Respond Now button below to = send your response via My Messages (your email address will not be included= ).=20=20 = =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Question from nonregal=20=20 Item: 1776 Machin' Mills small date CEORCIV= IS KEY DATE! (8369531623)=20 This message was sent while the listing was= active.=20 nonregal is a potential buyer.=20 = =20 = =20 = =20 I'm going to go out on a limb here and tell= you that this is not a 'Machin's Mills' issue and that it is not dated 177= 6.=20 It is a British made counterfeit dated 1775= from the Atkins-232 Family of counterfeits. Rather than me getting into a = protacted explanation here I'd be happy to send you further information via= direct email.=20 Unfortunately the Redbook's listing of 'Mac= hin's Mills' issues causes a lot of exuberant enthusiasm that is most often= misplaced on British made counterfeits, as is the case here.=20 Byron Weston Respond to this question in My Messages. = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 Item Details=20=20 = =20 = =20 Item name: 1776 Machin' Mills small date CE= ORCIVIS KEY DATE!=20=20 Item number: 8369531623=20=20 End date: Jan-05-06 12:19:50 PST=20=20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 View item description:=20 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt= em&item=3D8369531623&sspagename=3DADME:B:AAQ:US:1=20 = =20 Thank you for using eBay!=20 http://www.ebay.com/=20 = =20 = =20 Marketplace Safety Tip=20=20=20 = =20 Always remember to complete your transactio= ns on eBay - it's the safer way to trade.
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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1"= > <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Byron,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This guy buried himself. I highly doubt hi= s first=20 language is English......Mark</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LE= FT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>Fro= m:</B>=20 <A title=3Dbkweston@verizon.net href=3D"mailto:bkweston@verizon.net">Byro= n=20 Weston</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20 title=3Dcolonial-coins@yahoogroups.com=20 href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com">colonial-coins@yahoogroups= .com</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 02, 2006 5:5= 9=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Colonial Numismatics] Fw= :=20 Question for item #8369531623 - 1776 Machin' Mills small date CEORCIVIS K= EY=20 DATE!</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>FYI</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Byron</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=20 <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20 title=3Dlayce1@aol.com href=3D"mailto:layce1@aol.com">layce1@aol.com</A> = </DIV> <DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dbkweston@verizon.net=20 href=3D"mailto:bkweston@verizon.net">bkweston@verizon.net</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 02, 2006 8:56 PM</DIV> <DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: Question for item #8369531623 - 1776 Machin' Mil= ls=20 small date CEORCIVIS KEY DATE!</DIV></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana'"> <DIV> <DIV>This is not a 1775, here is a close up on the date. I understan= d=20 where you are coming from, and I expected this reaction from knowledgeabl= e=20 coin collectors as yourself. I assure you that this is a 1776, and that t= his=20 is the correct weight in grains. If you look into the counterfits produce= d,=20 you will see that the vfast majority of them were much lighter than the=20 authentic piece, and a few were much heavier. This coin has been looked a= t by=20 many dealers and specialists. I did expect this reaction on ebay, that is= why=20 I have reserved an auction slot at the coin show. No harm done.=20 But here's a list of reasons why this coin is not a counterfeit:</DI= V> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1. Aging. The natural aging of the patina on this coin correlates to= the=20 date. If this is a counterfeit, it could only be of the ones made du= ring=20 the original time period of this coin. And all of those specific counterf= eits=20 were supposively seized and melted down, only making this "counterf= eit"=20 as you suspect even rarer.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2. Positioning of the "5". This is a 1776. The 6 resembles a five. A= pon=20 closer inspection of the picture i send you you will easily see that. Any= ways,=20 if it were a five it would have to mean that one mark on the press was of= f out=20 of the entire coin. That is highly unlikely, even for a counterfiet. </DI= V> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>3. I have obtained this coin from a highly respected dealer who will= be=20 at the show, and I doubt he would lead me to believe this is real, (even= =20 though I already did the research), if it were counterfiet. Especially wh= en he=20 plans to be there during the auction.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>4. The counterfeits in question were made very poorly resembling the= =20 machin mills brand. Any familiar coin collector would easily see that. If= you=20 have any questions. Feel free to email me back.</DIV> <BR>-----Origi= nal=20 Message-----<BR>From: eBay Member: nonregal <member@ebay.com><BR>To= :=20 layce1@aol.com<BR>Sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 14:16:58 -0800<BR>Subject: Questi= on=20 for item #8369531623 - 1776 Machin' Mills small date CEORCIVIS KEY=20 DATE!<BR><BR> <STYLE>.AOLPlainTextBody { FONT-SIZE: 12px; MARGIN: 0px; COLOR: #000; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, Verdana, A= rial, Sans-Serif; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff } .AOLPlainTextBody PRE { FONT-SIZE: 9pt } .AOLInlineAttachment { MARGIN: 10px } .AOLAttachmentHeader { BACKGROUND: #f9f9f9; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e9eaeb 2px solid } .AOLAttachmentHeader .Title { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 10px; BACKGROUND: #e9eaeb; PADDING-BOTTO= M: 1px; FONT: bold 11px Tahoma; COLOR: #666666; PADDING-TOP: 3px } .AOLAttachmentHeader .FieldLabel { PADDING-RIGHT: 10px; PADDING-LEFT: 9px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 1px; FONT: bold 11= px Tahoma; COLOR: #666666; PADDING-TOP: 1px } .AOLAttachmentHeader .FieldValue { FONT: 11px Tahoma; COLOR: #333333 } </STYLE>
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