Halfpence circulation.

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From: "Byron Weston" <bkweston@verizon.net>
Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: Halfpence circulation.
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Hi Bill, et al.
I believe current US law states something to the effect that=20
defacement of US coins must be something done in such a manner that=20
it adds value to the coin above its face value. I had looked up the=20
statute but probably would not have worried too about it, regardless,=20
when I sold some cut-out coin jewelry for a friend.
Byron=20
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--- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, William Triest <wtriest2@y...>=20
wrote:
>
> Yes, I thought so.
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> I do wonder though if the law would apply to
> elongations, enamelling, love tokens etc, or would it
> have been enforced selectively.
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> But, I don't expect to gain much through blackmail,
> however. Not even a defaced coin.
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> Bill
> --- Steve Frank <taxi_steve929@y...> wrote:
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> > That was more tongue in cheek Bill.<s>.....how about
> > elongated pennies? (cents for the purists)<s>
> >=20
> > William Triest <wtriest2@y...> wrote: What is
> > Jim defacing? The UK has periodically
> > demonitized old coinage, and the old shillings and
> > pence (pre decimal era) are in that category now.=20
> > Otherwise, the whole mailgroup has a blackmail
> > opportunity. Free sampl;es for all!
> >=20
> > Yes, I was indeed referring to countermarking
> > counterfeits.
> >=20
> > I wonder how the law mentioned by Steve would apply
> > to
> > "love tokens" and the enameled coins that the late
> > Victorians produced.
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> > Bill Triest
> >=20
> > --- Steve Frank <taxi_steve929@y...> wrote:
> >=20
> > > David, I read the question "To put advertising on
> > > counterfeits"....not the regal pieces. I wonder if
> > > that law is still on the books...if it is, Jim
> > > Skalbe is in a heap of trouble.<s>
> > >=20
> > > "palmers4@e..." <palmers4@e...> wrote:=20
> > I
> > > forget when it happened, but Great Britain passed
> > > legislation making it a
> > > crime to counterstamp "coin of the realm". I
> > believe
> > > it was later in the
> > > 19th century, which is why all the PEAR'S SOAP C/S
> > > are on French coins.=20
> > > But in answer to your question, MAYBE.=20
> > > We see them as advertising "tokens" now, I have no
> > > context as to what they
> > > were considered then. I would think they were
> > viewed
> > > by authoirities as
> > > damaged and debased coins, so I would think they
> > had
> > > no problem with people
> > > damaging already debased coinage? David=20
> > >=20
> > > Original Message:
> > > -----------------
> > > From: William Triest wtriest2@y...
> > > Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:03:35 -0800 (PST)
> > > To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: Halfpence
> > > circulation.
> > >=20
> > >=20
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> > >=20
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> > > <tt>
> > > As an exercise in legalistic semantics: 
> > > If counterfeits had become illegal, but
> > merchant 
> > > tokens were still permitted, would putting
> > > advertising 
> > > on a counterfeit convert it to a quasi-legal
> > > merchant 
> > > token? 
> > > 
> > > Just a thought. 
> > > 
> > > Bill Triest 
> > > 
> > > --- Byron Weston <bkweston@v...> wrote: 
> > > 
> > > > I think this is the first time that you've
> > > agreed 
> > > > with me to such an 
> > > > extent, John. I think I'll mark my calendar! 
> > > > Byron 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "John 
> > > > Lorenzo" <johnmenc@o...> 
> > > > wrote: 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Agreed - it seems so - I still like Mike
> > > Ringo's 
> > > > analogy - they 
> > > > > became so worthless and fround upon that the
> > > only 
> > > > real worth within 
> > > > > England may have been nothing more than base
> > > metal 
> > > > pieces which had 
> > > > > very limited value and ONE purpose would have
> > > been 
> > > > as possibly 
> > > > > advertising cards such as this piece. I guess
> > > it 
> > > > was one thing to 
> > > > > try to use them as money - but in terms of the
> > > law 
> > > > -it did not seem 
> > > > > a problem to put your OWN SIGNATURE on the 
> > > > counterfeits to 
> > > > advertise 
> > > > > your business without worrying about the
> > > POLICE 
> > > > coming in with a 
> > > > > warrant. If one was stuck with a hoard ... 
> > > > exportation to the 
> > > > > colonies of course seems logigal ... don't
> > > expect 
> > > > this piece going 
> > > > > on E-Bay anytime soon ... when I did buy
> > > this 
> > > > piece I did ask the 
> > > > > main question: Why would someone advertise
> > > his 
> > > > business on such a 
> > > > > piece or self incriminate himself using such
> > > a 
> > > > host coin? I guess 
> > > > > its more about quantity and for what purpose
> > > the 
> > > > CC's were being 
> > > > > used in the English economy during their
> > > RAPID 
> > > > decline in the very 
> > > > > early 19th century ... 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com,
> > > "Byron 
> > > > Weston" 
> > > > > <bkweston@v...> wrote: 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com,
> > > "John 
> > > > Lorenzo" 
> > > > > <johnmenc@o...> 
> > > > > > wrote: 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > It's hard to deny ... every couple of
> > > years 
> > > > someone tells me to 
> > > > > look 
> > > > > > > in Peck for this or that as an
> > alternate 
> > > > source of 
> > > > > information ... I 
> > > > > > > am overdue ... maybe this counterstamp
> > > piece 
> > > > is the trigger ... 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > By the time your counterstamp may have
> > > been 
> > > > counterstamped 
> > > > (>1810) 
> > > > > it 
> > > > > > is doubtful that counterfeit halfpence
> > > were 
> > > > still in general 
> > > > > > circulation, John, as apparently most
> > were 
> > > > melted by then, as 
> > > > well 
> > > > > as 
> > > > > > many of Boulton's earlier Cartwheel coinage
> > > of 
> > > > Pence and Twopence. 
> > > > > > Byron 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
> >
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