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From: William Triest <wtriest2@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Off topic: Old Bailey case records
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Thanks, Jack and Steve!
Now that is cool, a poor young foreigner (Flemish) in
London seeking his fortune; he robs Lord Baltimore, of
all people, his fence is a Riviere (Revere), and he is
off to the co;onies, with an all-expense paid trip to
Maryland. And what an eloquent defense: he pleads
his youth.
Right out of Oliver Twist.
One unusual feature: they spelled our name right!
I suspect he is my
greatgreatgreatgreatgreatgrandfather, but I need to
tie him to possible grandsons
George (b. PA 1806) and Samuel (1814) Triest, and get
him from the PA militia to a farm in Lebanon Co. PA.
9Samuel is my earliest documented Lebanon Co.
Pennsylvania ancestor; or rather his wife 0f 1810).
Steve, your problem is easily solved: don't let me
out of your sight while the coins are around. And
count the silver.
Thanks again guys.
Anybody know anybody who hangs out in the Lebanon PA
archives?
Bill Triest
--- Jack Howes <j.howes@comcast.net> wrote:
> Yes, you can search for individuals:
>
> Peter Triest, Louis Riviere, theft : specified
> place, theft : receiving stolen goods, 19th
> February, 1766.
> The Proceedings of the Old Bailey Ref: t17660219-56
>
> See original
> Trial Summary:
> Crime(s): theft : specified place, theft : receiving
> stolen goods,
> Punishment Type: transportation, transportation,
> (Punishment details may be provided at the end of
> the trial.)
> Verdict: Part Guilty: convicted of a lesser offence,
> Guilty,
> Other trials on 19 Feb 1766
> Name search for: Peter Triest , Louis Riviere ,
> Crime Location: Southampton-row
> Associated Records...
>
> Original Text:
>
> 184, 185. (M.) Peter Triest was indicted for
> stealing four half pint silver mugs, value 4 l. one
> pint silver mug, value 4 l. four silver salts, value
> 20 s. a silver waiter, value 20 s. four silver cups,
> value 40 s. and four silver salt shovels, the
> property of the Right Honourable Frederick, Lord
> Baltimore, in his Lordship's dwelling-house ; and
> Louis Riviere for receiving the same, well knowing
> them to have been stolen , Feb. 3. +
>
> The prisoners being foreigners, an interpreter was
> sworn.
>
> Thomas Broughton . I am steward to Lord Baltimore:
> his house is in Southampton-row, Bloomsbury. The
> plate mentioned in the indictment (mentioning them
> by name) was lost out of our house the 3d of
> February, at 2 in the morning, according to the
> confession of Triest; he was one that my Lord kept
> out of charity: he confessed it to my Lord. I tied
> his arms, and went with him to a field by
> Mountague-house wall, where he said Riviere went
> with him and buried it. When we came there it was
> gone. He cried a great deal. I took him back, and
> sent for a constable, and went with a letter to Sir
> John Fielding ; and in the mean time the constable
> went with another man, and found out Riviere: he was
> brought before Sir John the next morning; what was
> said there was in French, which I did not
> understand.
>
> Edward Ogdon . I was sent for on the 3d of February.
> My Lord Baltimore was examining Triest in French,
> and my Lord told me what the boy said in English. By
> his information I found Riviere lived in
> Church-lane. I and my Lord's porter went to the
> house; he was not there. The boy told us there was a
> cook lived in Hog-lane, perhaps he may be there, so
> we went there with the boy, and left the porter in
> Church-lane; the boy shewed me the door in a cellar:
> I peeped through the key-hole, and saw a man: I
> knocked at the door; they did not come to open it. I
> knocked again, and said I had a commission from my
> Lord Baltimore to come and search. I found Riviere
> upon the stairs; I asked him if he had any plate of
> my Lord's, for I had information that he was the man
> that took it. He said, he did not know, but he would
> see. I secured him, and drove him before me, and
> found some of the plate among some saw dust, and
> some behind the barrels. I found all but one salt
> and one half pint mug (the rest produced and deposed
> to by Mr. Broughton, as my Lord's property). One
> Grible here, an evidence, rents the house.
>
> William Grible . Riviere came to my house to work
> for about three weeks. On the 3d of February, he
> told me that Triest had committed a robbery at my
> Lord Baltimore's, and said he would deposit them all
> at my house; to take them back again to my Lord, if
> he could find an opportunity to save the lad from
> being transported. Riviere brought part of them to
> my house about 11 o'clock one morning, and the rest
> about 7 in the evening.
>
> Q. Who put them in the saw dust, and behind the
> barrels?
>
> Grible. Riviere did.
>
> Q. Whether Ogdon found them there, or Riviere shewed
> them to him?
>
> Grible. Ogdon found them himself.
>
> Q. How came you not to tell him of the plate, and
> not give him the trouble to find it?
>
> Grible. Riviere was perplexed, and he blowed the
> candle out twice, and did not know what to do.
>
> John Neal . I am the landlord of the house where
> Grible lives. I was at the finding the things. I
> never saw Riviere there before that night to my
> knowledge.
>
> Triest's defence.
>
> Riviere buried the plate, I did not. I am but 14
> years of age.
>
> Riviere's defence.
>
> I intended to have taken the plate back to my
> Lord's.
>
> Triest. If you intended that, you would not have
> persuaded me to do it as you did.
>
> Triest Guilty of stealing, but not in the
> dwelling-house . T .
>
> Riviere Guilty . T. 14 .
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: William Triest
> To: colonial coin
> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 5:16 PM
> Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Off topic: Old
> Bailey case records
>
>
> A few weeks back, there was a discussion here or
> possibly in the non-regal group, about searching
> the
> records of the Old Bailey. Can anyone tell me if
> you
> can do an online search for individual cases?
>
> I am looking for details on Peter Triest (probably
> actually Pieter), who was transported on a convict
> ship from Middlesex Co. (hence from the London
> courts)
> to Maryland in 1768.
>
> (He may be the same as enlisted in the PA dragoons
> in
> Feb, 1777 ("Corps of the Count von Oppendorff",
> later
> Armand's Partisans) and the first Triest in
> America.
> So it is at least colonial... He handled colonial
> money, and makes me feel more in touch with the
> era.)
>
> Bill Triest
>
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