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From: Ray Williams <njraywms@optonline.net>
Subject: Jacob Perkins residence - from E-Sylum
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Thanks Clem!
Thinking of the Stevens brothers reminds me of current events concerning a Jacob Perkins residence in MA that a group of concerned people are trying to save. (The Stevens have done a lot of study on Perkins). Let me post two comments on the building that I read on the E-Sylum tonight. Wayne Homren is the editor of this free weekly numismatic post and I highly recommend joining. It covers many different aspects of numismatics including colonial. Those wishing to become new E-Sylum subscribers can go to the following web page:
https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/esylum
Try it for a few weeks (every Sunday) and if it's not for you, then unsubscribe. Wayne is an active member of the NBS (Numismatic Bibliomania Society) and your address will not be compromised. I've been receiving E-Sylum for years.
Ray
DID PERKINS MINT OR PRINT IN NEWBURYPORT BUILDING? MAYBE NOT
Karl Moulton writes: "Here's what research I uncovered about
the Perkins building on Fruit Street in Newburyport. This
information, along with other early U.S. Mint engravers, is
included in my forthcoming book about Henry Voigt.
Jacob Perkins operated a large, multi-story engraving facility
at Market Square in Newburyport prior to 1792. He had the skills
and equipment to engrave small metallic objects. Perkins was
called to the Philadelphia Mint in June of 1792 by his friend,
Tristram Dalton, now the new Mint Treasurer, who was also from
Newburyport. Perkins brought with him some of his own machines
for edge lettering and planchet cutting, which could have even
been adapted for steam use. That's why we see such things as
the vine and bars Large Cents and lettered edges on some of
the coins beginning in 1793
As for the building on Fruit Street that is being considered
for restoration as a minting facility, from what I have gathered,
it was the merely Perkins family residence and was not used in
connection to his business. The Perkins family was large, with
nine children. Whether this situation changed later when Jacob
later moved to Philadelphia, I can't say with certainty.
However, it is quite possible he took small pocket size items
home to work on, such as the 1800 Washington funeral die
(illustration in The Numismatist, August 1959, p.938), the
portrait being copied from his earlier rendition of President
Washington as seen on the rejected pattern for the 1793 dollar.
As far as can be determined, there was no equipment at his
residence to strike any coins or medals."
Dave Bowers writes: "As to Jacob Perkins, in my new book (Paper
Money Issued by Banks in the United States 1782-1866) there will
be a chapter on him. There will probably be 100 pages on Perkins,
90% numismatic.
The building on Fruit Street, now extant, has nothing to do with
his making Washington funeral medals or any other coins; it was
never a mint. Earlier, he was at another address in town. Jacob
headed off for England after spending some time in Philadelphia
in the mid-1810s, after which time the factory remained in operation.
Then in the early 1830s the business was moved to Boston and melded
into the New England Bank Note Co., recently formed."
----- Original Message -----
From: Clement V. Schettino
To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 7:58 PM
Subject: RE: [Colonial Numismatics] NJ varieties - update 6:40 Sunday night
I never did get a chance to call Frank or Dickie this weekend but I did meet with the Steven's brothers in NH last night and found out Chris has started to collect NJ's and he got a few of Morris' pieces from Stacks.
Hey Chris, care to join in?
Btw, I had a blast last night, and obviously made it home safely, thanks to both of you.
Clem
-----Original Message-----
From: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com [mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Williams
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 6:42 PM
To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] NJ varieties - update 6:40 Sunday night
Updated as of 6:40 Sunday night
Here's where we are now. Is there anyone I've overlooked so far? Please join in this survey:
David P 88 varieties
Clem S 85 varieties
Ray W 90 varieties
Roger S 90 varieties
Steve F 2 varieties
Syd M 86 varieties
Don H 10 varieties
Mark V 40 varieties
Alan A 50+ varieties
Mike Rin. about 10 varieties (cast counterfeits)
Eric P 1 variety
Dan B 3 varieties
John W L 10 varieties
Marc M 40+ varieties
Roger M 102 varieties
Morris H 2 varieties
Jeff L 69 varieties
Mike P 6 varieties
Mike S 71 varieties
Don S 8 varieties
NY Collection 89 varieties
Stan S 3 varieties
Frank J 63 varieties
Mike Rey. 10 varieties
Andy G 1 variety
I know there are at least a couple dozen more here that have NJ variety collections. Even if you just have one or two type coins, please join in and let us know how many you have.
Ray
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks Clem!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Thinking of the Stevens=
brothers=20
reminds me of current events concerning a Jacob Perkins residence in MA tha=
t a=20
group of concerned people are trying to save. (The Stevens have done =
a lot=20
of study on Perkins). Let me post two comments on the building t=
hat I=20
read on the E-Sylum tonight. Wayne Homren is the editor of this free=
=20
weekly numismatic post and I highly recommend joining. It covers many=
=20
different aspects of numismatics including colonial. <FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>Those wishing to become new E-Sylum subsc=
ribers=20
can go to the following web page:<BR></FONT><A=20
href=3D"https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/esylum"><FONT face=3D"Times N=
ew Roman"=20
size=3D3>https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/esylum</FONT></A><BR>Try it =
for a=20
few weeks (every Sunday) and if it's not for you, then unsubscribe. W=
ayne=20
is an active member of the NBS (Numismatic Bibliomania Society) and your ad=
dress=20
will not be compromised. I've been receiving E-Sylum for=20
years.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ray</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>DID PERKINS MINT OR PRINT IN NEWBURYPORT BUILDING? MAYBE=20
NOT<BR><BR><STRONG>Karl Moulton</STRONG> writes: "Here's what research I=20
uncovered about <BR>the Perkins building on Fruit Street in Newburyport.&nb=
sp;=20
This <BR>information, along with other early U.S. Mint engravers, is=20
<BR>included in my forthcoming book about Henry Voigt.<BR> <BR>Jacob=20
Perkins operated a large, multi-story engraving facility <BR>at Market Squa=
re in=20
Newburyport prior to 1792. He had the skills <BR>and equipment to eng=
rave=20
small metallic objects. Perkins was <BR>called to the Philadelphia Mi=
nt in=20
June of 1792 by his friend, <BR>Tristram Dalton, now the new Mint Treasurer=
, who=20
was also from <BR>Newburyport. Perkins brought with him some of his o=
wn=20
machines <BR>for edge lettering and planchet cutting, which could have even=
=20
<BR>been adapted for steam use. That's why we see such things as <BR>=
the=20
vine and bars Large Cents and lettered edges on some of <BR>the coins begin=
ning=20
in 1793 <BR> <BR>As for the building on Fruit Street that is being=20
considered <BR>for restoration as a minting facility, from what I have gath=
ered,=20
<BR>it was the merely Perkins family residence and was not used in=20
<BR>connection to his business. The Perkins family was large, with=20
<BR>nine children. Whether this situation changed later when Jacob=20
<BR>later moved to Philadelphia, I can't say with certainty.<BR><BR>However=
, it=20
is quite possible he took small pocket size items <BR>home to work on, such=
as=20
the 1800 Washington funeral die <BR>(illustration in The Numismatist, Augus=
t=20
1959, p.938), the <BR>portrait being copied from his earlier rendition of=20
President <BR>Washington as seen on the rejected pattern for the 1793 dolla=
r.=20
<BR>As far as can be determined, there was no equipment at his <BR>residenc=
e to=20
strike any coins or medals." <BR><BR><STRONG>Dave Bowers</STRONG> wri=
tes:=20
"As to Jacob Perkins, in my new book (Paper <BR>Money Issued by Banks in th=
e=20
United States 1782-1866) there will <BR>be a chapter on him. There wi=
ll=20
probably be 100 pages on Perkins, <BR>90% numismatic. <BR><BR>The bui=
lding=20
on Fruit Street, now extant, has nothing to do with <BR>his making Washingt=
on=20
funeral medals or any other coins; it was <BR>never a mint. Earlier, he was=
at=20
another address in town. Jacob <BR>headed off for England after spending so=
me=20
time in Philadelphia <BR>in the mid-1810s, after which time the factory rem=
ained=20
in operation. <BR>Then in the early 1830s the business was moved to Boston =
and=20
melded <BR>into the New England Bank Note Co., recently formed."<BR></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Dcolonial-coins@yahoogroups.com=20
href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com">colonial-coins@yahoogroups=
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</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 14, 2006 7:58 PM=
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Colonial Numismatics=
] NJ=20
varieties - update 6:40 Sunday night</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I never did ge=
t a=20
chance to call Frank or Dickie this weekend but I did meet with the Steve=
n=92s=20
brothers in NH last night and found out Chris has started to collect NJ=
=92s and=20
he got a few of Morris=92 pieces from Stacks.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hey Chris, car=
e to=20
join in?</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Btw, I had a b=
last=20
last night, and obviously made it home safely, thanks to both of=20
you.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Clem</SPAN></F=
ONT></P>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>=
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e=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original=20
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>=20
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<B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Ray=20
Williams<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sunday,=
May=20
14, 2006 6:42 PM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>=20
colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com<BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Colonial Numismatics=
] NJ=20
varieties - update 6:40 Sunday night</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New=
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size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
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=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Updated as of 6:40 Sunday=20
night</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial size=
=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Here's where we are now.&nb=
sp; Is=20
there anyone I've overlooked so far? Please join in this=20
survey:</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New=
Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial size=
=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">David=20
P 88=20
varieties</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial size=
=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Clem=20
S 85=20
varieties</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial size=
=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ray =20
W 90=20
varieties</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial size=
=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Roger=20
S 90=20
varieties </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial size=
=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Steve=20
F 2=20
varieties</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial size=
=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Syd=20
M 86=20
varieties</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial size=
=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Don H &nbs=
p;=20
10 varieties</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV=
>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial size=
=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Mark=20
V 40=20
varieties</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial size=
=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Alan A &nb=
sp;=20
50+ varieties</SPAN></FONT></P></DI=
V>
<DIV>
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Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Mike=20
Rin. about 10 varie=
ties=20
(cast counterfeits)<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Eric=20
P =
; 1=20
variety</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Dan B=20
3=20
varieties</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New=
Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">John W=20
L 10 varieties</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV=
>
<DIV>
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Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Marc M =20
40+ varieties</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Roger M &=
nbsp; 102=20
varieties</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Morris H =
=20
2 varieties</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New=
Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Jeff=20
L =
; 69=20
varieties</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Mike=20
P 6=20
varieties</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New=
Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Mike=20
S 71=20
varieties</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Don=20
S =20
8 varieties</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial size=
=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">NY Collection 8=
9=20
varieties</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial size=
=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Stan=20
S =20
3 varieties</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial size=
=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Frank=20
J 63=20
varieties</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Mike=20
Rey. 10=20
varieties</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Andy=20
G =
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1 variety</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR> </SPAN></FONT></P></DI=
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size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial size=
=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I know there are at least a=
couple=20
dozen more here that have NJ variety collections. Even if you just =
have=20
one or two type coins, please join in and let us know how many you=20
have.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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