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- From rslobins@yahoo.com Mon Jan 29 19:32:42 2007
Return-Path: <rslobins@yahoo.com> X-Sender: rslobins@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6970 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2007 03:32:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2007 03:32:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2007 03:32:42 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2007 03:32:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2007 03:32:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 03:32:19 -0000 To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <epme83+5uue@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <0a8c01c74226$8b8ecad0$f2fea8c0@DIANEJ33YVI95P> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.82.238.21 From: "rslobins" <rslobins@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Daalders X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=118280674; y=S6NEV9q3vzDtDg24llFqR8AWGflo3IOxCVfju_RpLjxr9wc X-Yahoo-Profile: rslobins
I am now back in the mood to contribute....
Some of you may know that I am an active collector of early Dutch.=20=20 This interest grew from my initial involvement with colonials.
First: Lion daalders were 75% silver and intended to circulate as=20 trade coins outside of the Netherlands, that is, the territory of the=20 States-General managed by the Oranges that we know as the Netherlands=20 now. (The lowland counties of northwestern Europe were known as the=20 Nether (nieder =3D low) lands, but those that remained under Catholic=20 Spanish rule became Belgium eventually.)=20=20
The initial market was the Levant--the Mid East. Of course, these=20 Liondaalders made their way to the Americas, Brasil (maybe) and=20 Indonesia. (At one time, Dutch North America included what we know=20 as Delaware, New Jersey and Connecticut. The Dutch ruled Pernambuco,=20 Brasil, but the Portuguese booted them out. The Jews of Pernambuco=20 then emigrated to New Amsterdam (New York), creating the first open=20 Jewish community of North America in 1654. I can infer that the Lion=20 Daalders came with them. Brasilians do not collect Lion Daalders.
Second: The States-General produced a dizzying assortment of coin=20 types and denominations. We have ducatoons (riders), silver ducats,=20 rijksdaalders, 60- and 30- stuiver pieces, florins of 28 stuivers,=20 and 3 gulden pieces. The Dutch East and West India companies=20 produced ducatoons and guldens for use in their tropical=20 territories. These company coins are rare.=20=20=20
Third: Each coin issue had its purpose, which I have yet to=20 discover. The relevant literature is very difficult to find and is=20 written in Dutch. The catalogs I have include Delmonte and=20 Zonnenblom. (Forget Krause--it is of limited use at best.) Delmonte=20 is a picture book. It is a good standard catalog. If you find one,=20 remember to be sure that you get the supplement with it. Zonnenblom=20 is a catalog of Dutch coins with prices, by date. But it is old,=20 published in 1980 at the height of the market for these pieces. At=20 FUN, I spoke with the people of Schulman's dealership who informed me=20 that there is a new catalog available.
If you know Dutch, you can read the material by Enno Van Gelder.
I read somewhere that rider daalders (ducatoons)--.945 fine--were=20 intended for domestic use only. There were stiff sanctions for=20 exporting these pieces. That did not stop the export of ducatoons,=20 as shipwreck recoveries have proved.
Fourth: The Dutch system proved that free markets--truly free=20 markets--worked. There was mercantilism, especialy with respect to=20 the colonies, and monopolies, again, with the government-chartered=20 settlement companies (think of America's FED, Fannie Mae), but the=20 Netherlands was indeed the land of opportunity. It remained=20 relatively free of the warfare raging across most of mainland Europe=20 from 1618-48. It was able to extend its influence so that this was=20 the first European flag on which the sun never set.=20=20
What also worked for the Dutch was their integrity and that was=20 reflected in the coinage. This is why the coins were accepted=20 worldwide, and the liondaalder became the first world currency--or=20 trade dollar. Other governments imitated Dutch florins and=20 liondaalders. These governments (pricipalities or counties) were=20 either German or Italian.
I have pieces from Rietberg, Bozzolo, and Modena. The liondaalder in=20 question in this topic is a Rietberg piece. (Incidentally, I have=20 located one, and if anyone wants it, please email me off-list.)=20=20 These coins are not necessarily made to the standards set by the=20 Dutch.
Fifth: It would work best to collect liondaalders by type and by=20 province. Each of the provinces under the States-General issued=20 coins in compliance with a convention; that is mentioned on all of=20 the silver coinage (AD: NOM: CONVEN: in the legend). If you are=20 daring, then go for a date set. Please note that it is still=20 possible to discover a date-province conbination that is not listed=20 in any reference. I have done that.
Sixth: As is usual, half- denominations are rare, because they were=20 coined for accounting purposes only. But they can be found.=20=20=20
If you want Dutch coins, it is best to buy them from European=20 auctions. German, Swiss, Austrian and Dutch (Schulman) auctions=20 often have this material available. Until recently, even half-lions=20 were affordable. I have a UBS catalog in front of me for its auction=20 last week. It had two lion daalders for sale with estimates at 200=20 and 160 euros.
When you participate in European auctions, remember that the buyers=20 premium can be high, and there is a conversion from USD to EUR to=20 perform. The rate is about 1.29 and the spread, 3-5%. Also, the=20 grading standard is much more stringent than what is found in=20 America: an extremely fine is what Americans call AU or even MS-60.=20=20 (That is also my grading standard; that is why I find so little in=20 the United States series to buy anymore.) The closest we see to=20 European grading is EAC grading.
I hope this helps.
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