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    I am now back in the mood to contribute....

    Some of you may know that I am an active collector of early Dutch.=20=20
    This interest grew from my initial involvement with colonials.

    First: Lion daalders were 75% silver and intended to circulate as=20
    trade coins outside of the Netherlands, that is, the territory of the=20
    States-General managed by the Oranges that we know as the Netherlands=20
    now. (The lowland counties of northwestern Europe were known as the=20
    Nether (nieder =3D low) lands, but those that remained under Catholic=20
    Spanish rule became Belgium eventually.)=20=20

    The initial market was the Levant--the Mid East. Of course, these=20
    Liondaalders made their way to the Americas, Brasil (maybe) and=20
    Indonesia. (At one time, Dutch North America included what we know=20
    as Delaware, New Jersey and Connecticut. The Dutch ruled Pernambuco,=20
    Brasil, but the Portuguese booted them out. The Jews of Pernambuco=20
    then emigrated to New Amsterdam (New York), creating the first open=20
    Jewish community of North America in 1654. I can infer that the Lion=20
    Daalders came with them. Brasilians do not collect Lion Daalders.

    Second: The States-General produced a dizzying assortment of coin=20
    types and denominations. We have ducatoons (riders), silver ducats,=20
    rijksdaalders, 60- and 30- stuiver pieces, florins of 28 stuivers,=20
    and 3 gulden pieces. The Dutch East and West India companies=20
    produced ducatoons and guldens for use in their tropical=20
    territories. These company coins are rare.=20=20=20

    Third: Each coin issue had its purpose, which I have yet to=20
    discover. The relevant literature is very difficult to find and is=20
    written in Dutch. The catalogs I have include Delmonte and=20
    Zonnenblom. (Forget Krause--it is of limited use at best.) Delmonte=20
    is a picture book. It is a good standard catalog. If you find one,=20
    remember to be sure that you get the supplement with it. Zonnenblom=20
    is a catalog of Dutch coins with prices, by date. But it is old,=20
    published in 1980 at the height of the market for these pieces. At=20
    FUN, I spoke with the people of Schulman's dealership who informed me=20
    that there is a new catalog available.

    If you know Dutch, you can read the material by Enno Van Gelder.

    I read somewhere that rider daalders (ducatoons)--.945 fine--were=20
    intended for domestic use only. There were stiff sanctions for=20
    exporting these pieces. That did not stop the export of ducatoons,=20
    as shipwreck recoveries have proved.


    Fourth: The Dutch system proved that free markets--truly free=20
    markets--worked. There was mercantilism, especialy with respect to=20
    the colonies, and monopolies, again, with the government-chartered=20
    settlement companies (think of America's FED, Fannie Mae), but the=20
    Netherlands was indeed the land of opportunity. It remained=20
    relatively free of the warfare raging across most of mainland Europe=20
    from 1618-48. It was able to extend its influence so that this was=20
    the first European flag on which the sun never set.=20=20

    What also worked for the Dutch was their integrity and that was=20
    reflected in the coinage. This is why the coins were accepted=20
    worldwide, and the liondaalder became the first world currency--or=20
    trade dollar. Other governments imitated Dutch florins and=20
    liondaalders. These governments (pricipalities or counties) were=20
    either German or Italian.

    I have pieces from Rietberg, Bozzolo, and Modena. The liondaalder in=20
    question in this topic is a Rietberg piece. (Incidentally, I have=20
    located one, and if anyone wants it, please email me off-list.)=20=20
    These coins are not necessarily made to the standards set by the=20
    Dutch.

    Fifth: It would work best to collect liondaalders by type and by=20
    province. Each of the provinces under the States-General issued=20
    coins in compliance with a convention; that is mentioned on all of=20
    the silver coinage (AD: NOM: CONVEN: in the legend). If you are=20
    daring, then go for a date set. Please note that it is still=20
    possible to discover a date-province conbination that is not listed=20
    in any reference. I have done that.

    Sixth: As is usual, half- denominations are rare, because they were=20
    coined for accounting purposes only. But they can be found.=20=20=20

    If you want Dutch coins, it is best to buy them from European=20
    auctions. German, Swiss, Austrian and Dutch (Schulman) auctions=20
    often have this material available. Until recently, even half-lions=20
    were affordable. I have a UBS catalog in front of me for its auction=20
    last week. It had two lion daalders for sale with estimates at 200=20
    and 160 euros.

    When you participate in European auctions, remember that the buyers=20
    premium can be high, and there is a conversion from USD to EUR to=20
    perform. The rate is about 1.29 and the spread, 3-5%. Also, the=20
    grading standard is much more stringent than what is found in=20
    America: an extremely fine is what Americans call AU or even MS-60.=20=20
    (That is also my grading standard; that is why I find so little in=20
    the United States series to buy anymore.) The closest we see to=20
    European grading is EAC grading.

    I hope this helps.

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