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From: John Lupia <jlupia2@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: What is a Colonial Coin?
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I cracked up when I read that too. Ray, is very
amiable and affable never trying to hog the floor or
keep center stage. I can only assume you see what I am
driving at especially since you are immersed in
Fugios, it must be abundantly apparent to you.
Actually, if you were not slated to be president of C4
next year I think you would be ideal as the first
president of SEAN. But, Ray has all of this worked out
now that he will be available to serve as the first
president of SEAN and make NJ coppers shine brilliant
proof in the eyes , minds and hearts of American
numismatists and enthusiasts everywhere. Those Fugios
are flying away again.
John
--- "palmers4@erols.com" <palmers4@erols.com> wrote:
> "especially when I can get David Palmer involved
> somehow... <s>" Not
> happening!<S> David
>
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Ray Williams njraywms@optonline.net
> Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 11:03:10 -0400
> To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: What is a
> Colonial Coin?
>
>
> That was well thought out John. I believe the C4
> name is here to stay,
> even if it may be technically inaccurate in many
> instances. I think that
> "Pre-Federal" or "Pre-Mint" more accurately
> describes what we collect and
> the areas in which we specialize. There are some
> coins that we include out
> of tradition, that don't fit the parameters of
> "Pre-Federal" or "Pre-Mint",
> but that's okay. Some even call thos Canadian
> things made by Blacksmiths
> as "Colonial"! <BG> But they were colonial for
> Canada... just not 18th
> Century products. This is always an interesting
> topic, especially when I
> can get David Palmer involved somehow... <s>
> Ray
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Lupia
> To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 8:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: What is a
> Colonial Coin?
>
>
> The 14 year experiment break from EAC with the
> emergence of the independent C-4 has done a
> fantastic
> job in perpetuating (unknowingly) Very Advanced
> EAC
> studies, and Very Advanced Colonial Numismatic
> Studies. C-4 deserves a round of applause for the
> enormous task of tackling the bulk of research the
> Large Cent people were not interested in pursuing.
>
> The grassroots EAC material of the earliest
> Federal
> Coinages has been the work of C4 members and the
> bulk
> of what has appeared in the CNL and C4 Newsletter.
> Kudos to all who did that work.
>
> Time has come to label the material properly
> classifying and categorizing them correctly as
> Early
> Federal Coinages, and separating them from what
> truly
> is Colonial Numismatics.
>
> The question is asked what is a colonial coin . .
> what I think is meant is what qualifies any coin
> to be
> properly classified as a colonial coin? Just about
> everyone on this list really knows this answer
> very
> well. All American minted coins minted prior to
> 1776
> and all coinages circulating in America as
> currency up
> to 1776. After 1776 all American minted coins are
> Early Federal Coinages and all other non American
> minted coinages circulating are now legally
> foreign
> currency with US Congress setting the value equal
> to
> USA value. Also, US colonial minted coins, i.e.,
> coins
> minted in America prior to 1776 are the authentic
> US
> colonial coins that still circulated regularly up
> to
> about 1857. So we have Foreign Colonial Coins
> circulating in American, and American US Colonial
> coins. Now, this does not include the Republic of
> Vermont which was an independent nation from 1775
> to
> 1791. Legally organized and renamed Vermont from
> January 15-June 8,1777. All Vermont colonials
> remain
> American colonial coins. Vermont became the 14th
> state
> in 1791.
>
> Now for some more good news the economic status of
> all
> Early Federal coin and currency issues will go
> soaring
> through the glass ceiling once public perception
> sees
> clarity out of the confusion.
>
> Up until now colonial numismatics including
> currency
> has attracted few comparatively as a market share
> within all of American numismatics. Why? People
> find
> the genre confusing, blurry, a jumbled mess, and
> fear
> to go there since it comes off too complicated not
> clear or understood what it really is and
> reluctance
> to invest money into something they do not
> properly
> understand.
>
> Once the clarity rings into public perception what
> state coinages really are -- the earliest Federal
> coinages issued by US Congress and ratified
> through
> each state legislature -- where the Congress was
> being
> held in that state that year -- simultaneously
> together with paper currency of issue-- pouring
> coinage and paper money into each state treasury
> and
> into the National Bank of North America, . . .
> collectors and dealers will see values triple, and
> then, finally reach the point of being
> untouchable.
>
> So EAC and C4 need to reevaluate and perhaps form
> a
> third organization of Early Federal Numismatics
> that
> deals with coin and currency that historically we
> received from the 19th century numismatists who
> passed
> it onto us through their literature as colonials.
> I
> suggest naming it the Society of Early American
> Numismatics (SEAN)
>
> Historical chronology of each group's specialty in
> subject matter
>
> Colonial Numismatics (C4)
> Early Federal Numismatics (SEAN)
> Early American Standard Issues (EAC)
>
> John
>
> --- Joe Schell <joecoin@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > Here's a good definition of "Colonial":
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial
> >
> > If you are attempting to determine what coins
> should
> > be included in a
> > North American Colonial type set, then I would
> say
> > any locally
> > circulating coin issued by a nation or entity
> that
> > did not have the
> > North American land that it controlled directly
> > incorporated into its
> > homeland should be included.
> >
> > Canadian tokens, bungtowns, store cards etc.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff
> Lipsky"
> > <jhlipsky@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have changed the subject line to continue
> this
> > discussion John Lupia
> > > and others have begun. I have an expansive
> view of
> > what I consider
> > > Colonial related. That is, I start with every
> > thing in the Red Book
> > > section then go to foreign coins circulating
> in
> > the colonies. I collect
> > > British from George the third back, French of
> the
>
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