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From: John Lupia <jlupia2@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: What is a Colonial Coin?
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Hi Syd:
I think its just a name game, at least in my mind. The
Articles of Confederation from whence the term derives
is actually nothing more than the first US
Constitution and the conveyance mechanism of central
federal authority. The era of Confederation Coins is
nothing more or less than the Early Federal Period.
Using the term Confederation Coins could conceivable
perpetuate the veil and cloud of confusion. I think we
all need clarity. Not that I am referring to members
of C4 or of this list for that matter, since we all
are aware of the meaning of Confederation Coins,
especially after Phil Mossman had championed that
cause. But, I am speaking about clarity at large for
the uninitiated, the newcomer, the student, the
general American public who will indeed become
interested in and take more active roles in reading
about the very foundations of American Federal
currency.
You have already contributed so much to our better
understanding as well as all contributors to the C4
newsletter and CNL, that you (plural) should be proud
that we stand on the precipice of rewriting American
history books for the school systems through graduate
studies all based on the foundation of your hard work.
I hope I answered your question. I need to get back to
cross indexing my databases for some really cool
numismatic publications that are forthcoming.
I will check in from time to time until about 9 PM
when its lights out in the library.
If you need anything for the C4 newsletter I can pull
out something from my various digital files and
folders . . . maybe another previously unpublished
source within the corpus of St. Patrick coinage, or,
whatever other colonial coinage you might want to
address in this next issue. Let me know.
I hope all is going well with your manuscript and that
you have been receiving my private emails.
John
--- Sydney Martin <sfmartin5@comcast.net> wrote:
> John: how about "Confederation Coins" versus "Early
> Federal Coins"?
>
>
> On Jun 7, 2007, at 8:40 AM, John Lupia wrote:
>
> > The 14 year experiment break from EAC with the
> > emergence of the independent C-4 has done a
> fantastic
> > job in perpetuating (unknowingly) Very Advanced
> EAC
> > studies, and Very Advanced Colonial Numismatic
> > Studies. C-4 deserves a round of applause for the
> > enormous task of tackling the bulk of research the
> > Large Cent people were not interested in pursuing.
> >
> > The grassroots EAC material of the earliest
> Federal
> > Coinages has been the work of C4 members and the
> bulk
> > of what has appeared in the CNL and C4 Newsletter.
> > Kudos to all who did that work.
> >
> > Time has come to label the material properly
> > classifying and categorizing them correctly as
> Early
> > Federal Coinages, and separating them from what
> truly
> > is Colonial Numismatics.
> >
> > The question is asked what is a colonial coin . .
> > what I think is meant is what qualifies any coin
> to be
> > properly classified as a colonial coin? Just about
> > everyone on this list really knows this answer
> very
> > well. All American minted coins minted prior to
> 1776
> > and all coinages circulating in America as
> currency up
> > to 1776. After 1776 all American minted coins are
> > Early Federal Coinages and all other non American
> > minted coinages circulating are now legally
> foreign
> > currency with US Congress setting the value equal
> to
> > USA value. Also, US colonial minted coins, i.e.,
> coins
> > minted in America prior to 1776 are the authentic
> US
> > colonial coins that still circulated regularly up
> to
> > about 1857. So we have Foreign Colonial Coins
> > circulating in American, and American US Colonial
> > coins. Now, this does not include the Republic of
> > Vermont which was an independent nation from 1775
> to
> > 1791. Legally organized and renamed Vermont from
> > January 15-June 8,1777. All Vermont colonials
> remain
> > American colonial coins. Vermont became the 14th
> state
> > in 1791.
> >
> > Now for some more good news the economic status of
> all
> > Early Federal coin and currency issues will go
> soaring
> > through the glass ceiling once public perception
> sees
> > clarity out of the confusion.
> >
> > Up until now colonial numismatics including
> currency
> > has attracted few comparatively as a market share
> > within all of American numismatics. Why? People
> find
> > the genre confusing, blurry, a jumbled mess, and
> fear
> > to go there since it comes off too complicated not
> > clear or understood what it really is and
> reluctance
> > to invest money into something they do not
> properly
> > understand.
> >
> > Once the clarity rings into public perception what
> > state coinages really are -- the earliest Federal
> > coinages issued by US Congress and ratified
> through
> > each state legislature -- where the Congress was
> being
> > held in that state that year -- simultaneously
> > together with paper currency of issue-- pouring
> > coinage and paper money into each state treasury
> and
> > into the National Bank of North America, . . .
> > collectors and dealers will see values triple, and
> > then, finally reach the point of being
> untouchable.
> >
> > So EAC and C4 need to reevaluate and perhaps form
> a
> > third organization of Early Federal Numismatics
> that
> > deals with coin and currency that historically we
> > received from the 19th century numismatists who
> passed
> > it onto us through their literature as colonials.
> I
> > suggest naming it the Society of Early American
> > Numismatics (SEAN)
> >
> > Historical chronology of each group's specialty in
> > subject matter
> >
> > Colonial Numismatics (C4)
> > Early Federal Numismatics (SEAN)
> > Early American Standard Issues (EAC)
> >
> > John
> >
> > --- Joe Schell <joecoin@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Here's a good definition of "Colonial":
> > >
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial
> > >
> > > If you are attempting to determine what coins
> should
> > > be included in a
> > > North American Colonial type set, then I would
> say
> > > any locally
> > > circulating coin issued by a nation or entity
> that
> > > did not have the
> > > North American land that it controlled directly
> > > incorporated into its
> > > homeland should be included.
> > >
> > > Canadian tokens, bungtowns, store cards etc.
> > >
> > > Joe
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff
> Lipsky"
> > > <jhlipsky@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have changed the subject line to continue
> this
> > > discussion John Lupia
> > > > and others have begun. I have an expansive
> view of
> > > what I consider
> > > > Colonial related. That is, I start with every
> > > thing in the Red Book
> > > > section then go to foreign coins circulating
> in
> > > the colonies. I collect
> > > > British from George the third back, French of
> the
> > > period, Spanish
> > > > Colonial, and any thing else with a remote
> chance
> > > to have circulated.
> > > > From there I collect Hawaiian coinage and I
> even
> > > have a set of
> > > > Alaskan "Bingles." The Red Book says "These
> tokens
> > > were issued by the
> > > > U.S. Government for for the use of the
> colonists
> > > of the Matanuska
> > > > Valley Colonization Project" that's close
> enough
> > > to Colonial for me.
> > > > -Jeff Lipsky
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > John N. Lupia, III
> > Beachwood, New Jersey 08722 USA; Beirut, Lebanon
> > Fax: (732) 349-3910
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Roman-Catholic-News/
> > God Bless Everyone
> >
> >
>
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>
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John N. Lupia, III
Beachwood, New Jersey 08722 USA; Beirut, Lebanon
Fax: (732) 349-3910
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Roman-Catholic-News/
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