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--- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "Clement V. Schettino" <copperclem@.=
..> wrote:

>

> Hey Byron,

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> You act and speak like you actually knew Mike and what he was working on =
and

> with whom or where he got all his ideas?

>=20

>=20=20

>=20

> How many times did you actually meet with Mike? He told me the time I met

> you and then introduced you guys was his first. Maybe I'm confused?

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>=20=20

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> Clem

=20

Hey Clem,

=20

Since you haven=92t responded, and apparently haven=92t bothered to re-read=
CNL-111, I thought I should un-confuse you as to your introducing me to Mi=
ke, among other things.

=20

It was the 2003 ANA in Baltimore and I was looking forward to finally meeti=
ng you and several other C4 members who had never met me before then. You=
=92d made arrangements to meet me the first day of the ANA the previous yea=
r when it was held in Philadelphia but was a no show on the bourse that day=
and I ended up selling several counterfeit farthing brockages I had brough=
t along to Larry Briggs instead =96 but that is another story.

=20

When the Club bus arrived at the Convention I immediately headed for Bill A=
nton=92s table as he=92d called me and said he had something for me. When I=
arrived at his table I first met Dennis Wierzba who had just purchased a v=
ery nice and very crude 1776-dated Irish counterfeit halfpenny =96 see File=
s/Counterfeit Halfpence/Hey Clem/Wierzba. Dennis left Bill=92s table and th=
en Bill showed me what he had brought for me. I would end up trading that c=
oin to Mike the next year at the pre-ANA in Monroeville as Mike and I had a=
rranged to bring our respective collections there to show to each other and=
discuss =96 see the second image in the Files/Counterfeit Halfpence/Hey Cl=
em/I7201C. (BTW Mike had, I believe, eight examples of Dennis Wierzba=92s =
=9276 Irish variety that he showed me in Monroeville =96 and the discussion=
went on for nearly three hours.) After I settled with Bill I immediately m=
ade my way to Mike=92s table and said hello.=20

=20

The last time I had seen Mike was at a January 1996 WESPENEX show in White =
Plains, NY where he had been walking the bourse. Bill Anton was at my table=
at the 1996 WESPENEX show those seven years earlier, when I=92d spotted Mi=
ke walking the bourse and casually observing our transaction from a short d=
istance. I would later run into Mike near another dealer=92s table where I =
was purchasing two Geo. II halfpence and recall making a comment to him tha=
t dealing with Bill was like pulling teeth =96 or something to that effect =
=96 which immediately evoked a good belly laugh from Mike.

=20

I didn=92t often run into Mike at shows, since I was doing mainly Cleveland=
, Ohio and PA shows since about 1992, but if you=92d read CNL-111 you would=
know that we had been corresponding about counterfeit halfpence, et al, si=
nce January =9291 and had been buying coins from his price lists before tha=
t. I do recall the first time I met Mike in person, however, it too was at =
a Baltimore show on another Club bus trip =96 I don=92t recall if it was an=
ANA event or just another of the =93regular=94 Baltimore shows. Anyway, th=
is had to have been a couple or perhaps a few years before 1996, but someti=
me shortly after 1992, probably 1993, 1994 at the latest. I can correlate t=
his with other well documented events that were happening at this time, if =
you feel it=92s necessary. I recall also meeting Bob Vlack who was behind M=
ike=92s table with him, for the first and only time, but didn=92t realize a=
t the time that the =93kid=94 sitting beside me at the table, who also got =
into the conversation, was Vicken Yegparian.

=20

Mike had first suggested that we do a paper together when he=92d reviewed T=
N-161 (1994) and has suggested this several times since on every paper he h=
elped me with over the years since and right up to 2005:

=20

----- Original Message -----=20

From: MKRingo@aol.com=20

To: GTrudgen@aol.com=20

Cc: bkweston@verizon.net=20

Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 7:46 PM

Subject: Baby Head Notes

=20

Hi Gary,

I was also thinking of doing a short article on either the 2.3-T (et al) CT=
's and/or the 1785 7.1-D (et al) CT's. Most of the photos would be from CNL=
F (Barnsley, EAC '75, and Taylor coins). Have the copyright issues been res=
olved for all these photo sources? Also, I spoke to Vicken before he got ma=
rried, and he indicated that Stack's would cooperate with Ford photos.

Mike

=20

Obviously Mike sometimes knew what I was working on, since he had reviewed =
it prior to publication and, of course, I didn=92t always know what Mike mi=
ght be working on, but I certainly did know where he=92d gotten some of his=
ideas from as he did mine =96 see the third image in the Files/Counterfeit=
Halfpence/Hey Clem/Ringo-4.

=20

I do know that Mike trusted me implicitly, as well as who he would not trus=
t with privileged information as that was brought up in many of our snail m=
ail correspondences and later in email exchanges. You also learn this from =
working with several different co-authors; who can keep their mouth shut an=
d who cannot. Other people couldn=92t be left into the loop on a paper simp=
ly because they had a tendency make it their idea.

=20

Back to your introducing Mike and I at the 2003 ANA: Well I suppose Mike co=
uld have forgotten ever having met me before since I=92d last seen him in p=
erson seven years earlier, but I don=92t think it=92s likely, especially si=
nce I don=92t recall the actual introduction. Even if there had been an int=
roduction I=92m sure it was unnecessary, but what I do remember is that I=
=92d suggested we all go down the street to HOOTERS for lunch but Mike sugg=
ested we go to the buffet style diner which was closer to the show. I also =
remembered Dennis Wierzba, Frank McGrath, Neil Rothschild, and you joining =
the group as well, Clem, and that the only person among them that I had met=
before that show was Mike Ringo. We passed around coins while we ate and d=
rank, and talked coins. I believe one of the coins I=92d brought for this =
=93show and tell=94 was the Device Trial Piece for the 1781-dated counterfe=
it halfpence. I also remember it being a big hit. Anyway, introduction or n=
ot, obviously you remember things differently than I do.

=20

The two dealers that I=92ve attended coin shows with were both at the show,=
one was set up and the other had come on the Club bus trip with me. Unfort=
unately I couldn=92t find him so that he could have joined us for lunch. I =
suppose I could call either of both of them friends but I really can=92t sa=
y that I=92m particularly fond of either of them simply because I=92ve shar=
ed a bourse table and hotel expenses with them over the years.

=20

Apparently, however, I never had a friendship with Mike Ringo, simply becau=
se you say so, Clem, as you=92ve apparently have put a copyright on that pr=
ivilege. Heaven forbid if anyone besides you decides that they were Mike=92=
s friend, not that I=92d ever mentioned that I was his friend in the first =
place. What I can tell you is that at the rate you are losing friends with =
these mean spirited contemptuous egroup postings perhaps by next year=92s C=
4 Convention you=92ll have more than David Palmer waiting on you in a dark =
alley (post 16673, nonregalresearch). I really don=92t think you want to te=
st my memory again, Clem, because the next time I=92ll be testing yours, an=
d will be able to back that up as well.

=20

Byron

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wrote:
>
> Hey Byron,
> 
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> 
> You act and speak l=
ike you=20
actually knew Mike and what he was working on and
> with whom or where =
he got=20
all his ideas?
> 
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style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> 
> 
> How many times did =
you=20
actually meet with Mike? He told me the time I met
> you and then introd=
uced you=20
guys was his first. Maybe I'm confused?
> 
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style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> 
> 
> Clem
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Hey Clem,
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Since you haven=92t resp=
onded, and=20
apparently haven=92t bothered to re-read CNL-111, I thought I should un-con=
fuse=20
you as to your introducing me to Mike, among other things.
<o:p> </o:p>
It was the 2003 ANA in=20
<?xml:namespace prefix =3D st1 ns =3D "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:sma=
rttags"=20
/><st1:City><st1:place>Baltimore</st1:place></st1:City> and I was looking=20
forward to finally meeting you and several other C4 members who had never m=
et me=20
before then. You=92d made arrangements to meet me the first day of the ANA =
the=20
previous year when it was held in=20
<st1:City><st1:place>Philadelphia</st1:place></st1:City> but was a no show =
on=20
the bourse that day and I ended up selling several counterfeit farthing=20
brockages I had brought along to Larry Briggs instead =96 but that is anoth=
er=20
story.
<o:p> </o:p>
When the Club bus arrive=
d at the=20
Convention I immediately headed for Bill Anton=92s table as he=92d called m=
e and=20
said he had something for me. When I arrived at his table I first met Denni=
s=20
Wierzba who had just purchased a very nice and very crude 1776-dated Irish=
=20
counterfeit halfpenny =96 see Files/Counterfeit Halfpence/Hey Clem/Wierzba.=
Dennis=20
left Bill=92s table and then Bill showed me what he had brought for me. I w=
ould=20
end up trading that coin to Mike the next year at the pre-ANA in=20
<st1:place>Monroeville</st1:place> as Mike and I had arranged to bring our=
=20
respective collections there to show to each other and discuss =96 see the =
second=20
image in the Files/Counterfeit Halfpence/Hey Clem/I7201C. (BTW Mike had, I=
=20
believe, eight examples of Dennis Wierzba=92s =9276 Irish variety that he s=
howed me=20
in Monroeville =96 and the discussion went on for nearly three hours.) Afte=
r I=20
settled with Bill I immediately made my way to Mike=92s table and said hell=
o. 
<o:p> </o:p>
The last time I had seen=
Mike was=20
at a January 1996 WESPENEX show in <st1:place><st1:City>White Plains</st1:C=
ity>,=20
<st1:State>NY</st1:State></st1:place> where he had been walking the bourse.=
Bill=20
Anton was at my table at the 1996 WESPENEX show those seven years earlier, =
when=20
I=92d spotted Mike walking the bourse and casually observing our transactio=
n from=20
a short distance. I would later run into Mike near another dealer=92s table=
where=20
I was purchasing two Geo. II halfpence and recall making a comment to him t=
hat=20
dealing with Bill was like pulling teeth =96 or something to that effect =
=96 which=20
immediately evoked a good belly laugh from Mike.
<o:p> </o:p>
I didn=92t often run int=
o Mike at=20
shows, since I was doing mainly Cleveland, Ohio and PA shows since about 19=
92,=20
but if you=92d read CNL-111 you would know that we had been corresponding a=
bout=20
counterfeit halfpence, et al, since January =9291 and had been buying coins=
from=20
his price lists before that. I do recall the first time I met Mike in perso=
n,=20
however, it too was at a <st1:City><st1:place>Baltimore</st1:place></st1:Ci=
ty>=20
show on another Club bus trip =96 I don=92t recall if it was an ANA event o=
r just=20
another of the =93regular=94 <st1:City><st1:place>Baltimore</st1:place></st=
1:City>=20
shows. Anyway, this had to have been a couple or perhaps a few years before=
=20
1996, but sometime shortly after 1992, probably 1993, 1994 at the latest. I=
can=20
correlate this with other well documented events that were happening at thi=
s=20
time, if you feel it=92s necessary. I recall also meeting Bob Vlack who was=
behind=20
Mike=92s table with him, for the first and only time, but didn=92t realize =
at the=20
time that the =93kid=94 sitting beside me at the table, who also got into t=
he=20
conversation, was Vicken Yegparian.
<o:p> </o:p>
Mike had first suggested=
that we=20
do a paper together when he=92d reviewed TN-161 (1994) and has suggested th=
is=20
several times since on every paper he helped me with over the years since a=
nd=20
right up to 2005:
<o:p> </o:p>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message -----=
=20
<o:p></o:p>
=
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A title=3DMKRingo@aol.com=20
href=3D"mailto:MKRingo@aol.com">MKRingo@aol.com</A> <o:p></o:p>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A title=3DGTrudgen@aol.com=
=20
href=3D"mailto:GTrudgen@aol.com">GTrudgen@aol.com</A> <o:p></o:p></P=
>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cc:<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A title=3Dbkweston@verizon.=
net=20
href=3D"mailto:bkweston@verizon.net">bkweston@verizon.net</A>=20
<o:p></o:p>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <st1:date Year=3D"200=
5"=20
Day=3D"6" Month=3D"11">=
Sunday,=20
November 06, 2005</st1:date><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <st1:time Minute=3D"4=
6"=20
Hour=3D"19">7:46=20
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Baby Head=20
Notes<o:p></o:p>
<o:p> </o:p>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi Gary, I was also th=
inking=20
of doing a short article on either the 2.3-T (et al) CT's and/or the 1785 7=
.1-D=20
(et al) CT's. Most of the photos would be from CNLF (<st1:place><SPA=
N=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Barnsley</st1:place><S=
PAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">, EAC '75, and=20
<st1:City><st1:place><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Taylor</st1:place></st=
1:City><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> coins). Have the copyright i=
ssues=20
been resolved for all these photo sources? Also, I spoke to Vicken before h=
e got=20
married, and he indicated that Stack's would cooperate with Ford=20
photos. Mike
<o:p> </o:p>
Obviously Mike sometimes=
knew=20
what I was working on, since he had reviewed it prior to publication and, o=
f=20
course, I didn=92t always know what Mike might be working on, but I certain=
ly did=20
know where he=92d gotten some of his ideas from as he did mine =96 see the =
third=20
image in the Files/Counterfeit Halfpence/Hey Clem/Ringo-4.
<o:p> </o:p>
I do know that Mike trus=
ted me=20
implicitly, as well as who he would not trust with privileged information a=
s=20
that was brought up in many of our snail mail correspondences and later in =
email=20
exchanges. You also learn this from working with several different co-autho=
rs;=20
who can keep their mouth shut and who cannot. Other people couldn=92t be le=
ft into=20
the loop on a paper simply because they had a tendency make it their idea.<=
/P>
<o:p> </o:p>
Back to your introducing=
Mike and=20
I at the 2003 ANA: Well I suppose Mike could have forgotten ever having met=
me=20
before since I=92d last seen him in person seven years earlier, but I don=
=92t think=20
it=92s likely, especially since I don=92t recall the actual introduction. E=
ven if=20
there had been an introduction I=92m sure it was unnecessary, but what I do=
=20
remember is that I=92d suggested we all go down the street to HOOTERS for l=
unch=20
but Mike suggested we go to the buffet style diner which was closer to the =
show.=20
I also remembered Dennis Wierzba, Frank McGrath, Neil Rothschild, and you=20
joining the group as well, Clem, and that the only person among them that I=
had=20
met before that show was Mike Ringo. We passed around coins while we ate an=
d=20
drank, and talked coins. I believe one of the coins I=92d brought for this =
=93show=20
and tell=94 was the Device Trial Piece for the 1781-dated counterfeit halfp=
ence. I=20
also remember it being a big hit. Anyway, introduction or not, obviously yo=
u=20
remember things differently than I do.
<o:p> </o:p>
The two dealers that I=
=92ve=20
attended coin shows with were both at the show, one was set up and the othe=
r had=20
come on the Club bus trip with me. Unfortunately I couldn=92t find him so t=
hat he=20
could have joined us for lunch. I suppose I could call either of both of th=
em=20
friends but I really can=92t say that I=92m particularly fond of either of =
them=20
simply because I=92ve shared a bourse table and hotel expenses with them ov=
er the=20
years.
<o:p> </o:p>
Apparently, however, I n=
ever had=20
a friendship with Mike Ringo, simply because you say so, Clem, as you=92ve=
=20
apparently have put a copyright on that privilege. Heaven forbid if anyone=
=20
besides you decides that they were Mike=92s friend, not that I=92d ever men=
tioned=20
that I was his friend in the first place. What I can tell you is that at th=
e=20
rate you are losing friends with these mean spirited contemptuous egroup=20
postings perhaps by next year=92s C4 Convention you=92ll have more than Dav=
id Palmer=20
waiting on you in a dark alley (post 16673, nonregalresearch). I really don=
=92t=20
think you want to test my memory again, Clem, because the next time I=92ll =
be=20
testing yours, and will be able to back that up as well.
<o:p> </o:p>
Byron<o:p></o:p>
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