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From: B B <rlbcomuser@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood 33 = English Evasion
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All;
Of the five pieces I have lying around here at home
two have remnants of the foot or tail on the R. They
are not really high grade examples so I would assume
they are early die states. The legend definately
reads BRTIT., So its undoubtably evasive. The mystery
is the predominance of species in North America.
This is most unusual for an evasion.
As for the rocks, pillows or clowds, everything on
both central devices is kind of rounded and indistinct
and I just assumed that was the engravers style.
Makes for a somewaht pleasing although Yogi Berra
looking Geoge III bust.
I don't have images of these early ststes at this
point, but could get them tomorrow if there is an
interest.
Bob
--- "Oliver D. Hoover" <oliver.hoover@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
> It makes me think of a really lame attempt to
> imitate the rocks on
> the 1722 Hibernia pattern. Of course, I have no idea
> why someone
> might do such a thing.
>
> Oliver
>
> On 21-Jan-08, at 9:33 AM, j.howes wrote:
>
> >
> > Clem,
> >
> > OK I'll bite. I attached an image of my Wood 33.
> Its a pretty
> > high grade also. In fact I am interested in
> seeing any images of
> > better ones. Also can you post the image you
> mention that shows
> > the die may have been lapped. I have never seen
> any other die
> > states but I can't say that I have looked at more
> than a few of these.
> >
> > I think the "pile of ambergris" as you pungently
> put it looks like
> > a pile of rocks to me or maybe a bag of clouds :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Clement V. Schettino
> > To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 8:46 AM
> > Subject: RE: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood 33 =
> English Evasion
> >
> >
> > Hey Jack,
> >
> >
> > Oh well, I guess if I want someone to �talk� to
> I�ll have to �talk�
> > about this ;-)
> >
> >
> > I agree that it does not look like an �R� on your
> piece Jack or my
> > piece (attached). And mine also sports that little
> perpendicular
> > from the upright that yours shows intimating a
> �P�.
> >
> >
> > But I do have an image in my files which pretty
> clearly shows at
> > one time, probably before the die was polished or
> lapped that it
> > was in fact an �R�.
> >
> >
> > My question is� what�s that pile of ambergris on
> Britannia�s back
> > is supposed to represent?
> >
> >
> > Clem
> >
> >
> > From: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:colonial-
> > coins@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of j.howes
> > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 9:34 AM
> > To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood 33 =
> English Evasion
> >
> >
> >
> > Morris,
> >
> >
> > See the attached closeup of the reverse legend. I
> don't think the
> > 2nd letter is a either a T or an I. Looks more
> like an F or maybe
> > a P to me. Definitely not an R.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: Morris Hankins
> >
> > To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 2:20 PM
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood 33 =
> English Evasion
> >
> >
> > Phil, for some time now I have been putting off
> writing a paper on
> > this particular coin. Somehow or another, I was
> under the
> > impression that Oliver Hoover was submitting a
> paper to CNL on this.
> >
> >
> > I have examined numerous specimens on this coin
> including two from
> > JPL, one from ODH, and several from others as well
> as my own.
> >
> >
> > Based on my observations of these, I assigned
> Cobwright numbers G.
> > 0899./B.0099 to the coin with the obverse being
> Gloriuvs III Vis
> > and the reverse being Btiti. Bitit is totally
> wrong in my opinion;
> > specifically when observing the "I" on the
> obverse. This "I"
> > matches the bases of the third and fifth letters
> on the reverse;
> > thus Btiti.
> >
> >
> > The misspellings in the legends are simply errors
> due to someone
> > not knowing how to spell, which was quite common
> in those times.
> > Or he was drunk or hung-over. The Btiti of the
> reverse probably
> > started out to be BRITISH which was 'royally'
> bollixed.
> >
> >
> > Two examples showed the possibility of the 'L' in
> Gloriuvs possibly
> > being an 'E', thus possibly being Georiuvs. One
> of these that
> > showed this was JPL's example which is the highest
> graded 'Wood 33'
> > known. The ones described as being BRTIT on the
> reverse that I
> > have seen, appear to be a metal flow problem and
> nothing else.
> > Trying to squeeze an 'R' in simply doesn't work.
> >
> >
> > In summation, these are English Evasions imported
> into the Canada
> > and the U.S. and were well circulated in the
> Northeast states.
> >
> >
> > Morris
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > PLMossman@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 1/18/2008 2:52:30 P.M. Eastern
> Standard Time,
> > marcm@sunflower.com writes:
> >
> > Dave,
> >
> > It was just a small piece that suggested that 33
> was perhaps one of
> > the few evasions that actually circulated in the
> US.
> >
> > Marc
> >
> > I'm sure this is true since we run into them in
> northern NE in junk
> > boxes; Mike Ringo had about 50 of them which I
> think he sold. The
> > planchets had a consistent weight and quality
> suggesting an English
> > origin.
> >
> > Phil
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in
> shape in the new year.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > <Wood 33 Cobwright G.0899-B.0099.jpg>
>
>
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