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From: "Oliver D. Hoover" <oliver.hoover@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood 33 = English Evasion
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There is a very slight part of the tail up against the next letter.
Oliver
On 21-Jan-08, at 11:58 AM, j.howes wrote:
>
> I don't see any indication of an R. So, I would like to see somone=20=20
> post an
> image that shows an early die state.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Oliver D. Hoover" <oliver.hoover@sympatico.ca>
> To: <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 11:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood 33 =3D English Evasion
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>
> You can make out the slight tail of the R on my example too.
>
> Oliver
>
> On 21-Jan-08, at 11:34 AM, B B wrote:
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>> Here's an image from the Blacksmiths site folder.
>>
>> BB
>> --- B B <rlbcomuser@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> All;
>>>
>>> Of the five pieces I have lying around here at home
>>> two have remnants of the foot or tail on the R.
>>> They
>>> are not really high grade examples so I would assume
>>> they are early die states. The legend definately
>>> reads BRTIT., So its undoubtably evasive. The
>>> mystery
>>> is the predominance of species in North America.
>>> This is most unusual for an evasion.
>>>
>>> As for the rocks, pillows or clowds, everything on
>>> both central devices is kind of rounded and
>>> indistinct
>>> and I just assumed that was the engravers style.
>>> Makes for a somewaht pleasing although Yogi Berra
>>> looking Geoge III bust.
>>>
>>> I don't have images of these early ststes at this
>>> point, but could get them tomorrow if there is an
>>> interest.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>> --- "Oliver D. Hoover" <oliver.hoover@sympatico.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It makes me think of a really lame attempt to
>>>> imitate the rocks on
>>>> the 1722 Hibernia pattern. Of course, I have no
>>> idea
>>>> why someone
>>>> might do such a thing.
>>>>
>>>> Oliver
>>>>
>>>> On 21-Jan-08, at 9:33 AM, j.howes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Clem,
>>>>>
>>>>> OK I'll bite. I attached an image of my Wood
>>> 33.
>>>> Its a pretty
>>>>> high grade also. In fact I am interested in
>>>> seeing any images of
>>>>> better ones. Also can you post the image you
>>>> mention that shows
>>>>> the die may have been lapped. I have never seen
>>>> any other die
>>>>> states but I can't say that I have looked at
>>> more
>>>> than a few of these.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the "pile of ambergris" as you pungently
>>>> put it looks like
>>>>> a pile of rocks to me or maybe a bag of clouds
>>> :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Clement V. Schettino
>>>>> To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 8:46 AM
>>>>> Subject: RE: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood 33 =3D
>>>> English Evasion
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey Jack,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh well, I guess if I want someone to =93talk=94 to
>>>> I=92ll have to =93talk=94
>>>>> about this ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree that it does not look like an =91R=92 on
>>> your
>>>> piece Jack or my
>>>>> piece (attached). And mine also sports that
>>> little
>>>> perpendicular
>>>>> from the upright that yours shows intimating a
>>>> =91P=92.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But I do have an image in my files which pretty
>>>> clearly shows at
>>>>> one time, probably before the die was polished
>>> or
>>>> lapped that it
>>>>> was in fact an =91R=92.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My question is=85 what=92s that pile of ambergris on
>>>> Britannia=92s back
>>>>> is supposed to represent?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Clem
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
>>>> [mailto:colonial-
>>>>> coins@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of j.howes
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 9:34 AM
>>>>> To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood 33 =3D
>>>> English Evasion
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Morris,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> See the attached closeup of the reverse legend.
>>> I
>>>> don't think the
>>>>> 2nd letter is a either a T or an I. Looks more
>>>> like an F or maybe
>>>>> a P to me. Definitely not an R.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Morris Hankins
>>>>>
>>>>> To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 2:20 PM
>>>>>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood 33 =3D
>>>> English Evasion
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Phil, for some time now I have been putting off
>>>> writing a paper on
>>>>> this particular coin. Somehow or another, I was
>>>> under the
>>>>> impression that Oliver Hoover was submitting a
>>>> paper to CNL on this.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have examined numerous specimens on this coin
>>>> including two from
>>>>> JPL, one from ODH, and several from others as
>>> well
>>>> as my own.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Based on my observations of these, I assigned
>>>> Cobwright numbers G.
>>>>> 0899./B.0099 to the coin with the obverse being
>>>> Gloriuvs III Vis
>>>>> and the reverse being Btiti. Bitit is totally
>>>> wrong in my opinion;
>>>>> specifically when observing the "I" on the
>>>> obverse. This "I"
>>>>> matches the bases of the third and fifth letters
>>>> on the reverse;
>>>>> thus Btiti.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The misspellings in the legends are simply
>>> errors
>>>> due to someone
>>>>> not knowing how to spell, which was quite common
>>>> in those times.
>>>>> Or he was drunk or hung-over. The Btiti of the
>>>> reverse probably
>>>>> started out to be BRITISH which was 'royally'
>>>> bollixed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Two examples showed the possibility of the 'L'
>>> in
>>>> Gloriuvs possibly
>>>>> being an 'E', thus possibly being Georiuvs. One
>>>> of these that
>>>>> showed this was JPL's example which is the
>>> highest
>>>> graded 'Wood 33'
>>>>> known. The ones described as being BRTIT on the
>>>> reverse that I
>>>>> have seen, appear to be a metal flow problem and
>>>> nothing else.
>>>>> Trying to squeeze an 'R' in simply doesn't work.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In summation, these are English Evasions
>>> imported
>>>> into the Canada
>>>>> and the U.S. and were well circulated in the
>>>> Northeast states.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>> =3D=3D=3D message truncated =3D=3D=3D
>>
>>
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