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From: "John Lorenzo" <jlorenzo@ob.ilww.com>
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood 33 = English Evasion - Resend of Prior Msg, J Howes
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People were using the term "Pennsylvanai Bungtowns" in the 70's ...=20
what were they thinking around the 1910 era <BG>.
--- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, B B <rlbcomuser@...> wrote:
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> Don't know if these will help, but at a slight angle
> these images are a little more pronounced. I also
> believe the R punch was at an angle and runs into the
> base of the T. Also, there is some evidence, as
> Morris mentioned He'd discuss further, the obverse
> leend being GEO and not GLO.
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> I think what may bs a reason HW included them in the
> Blacksmith listing is the uniformity of the blanks.=20
> They are quite decent copper and look similar to the
> wood 1-18 series from that perspective. This point
> could also be made of a lot of other evasions if you
> would get a number of them together and view good
> grade examples. The liklihood is that Wood didn't see
> that with the evasions, but because the Wood 33s were
> very prediminant in early collections in North America
> it appeared they belonged to the Blacksmith series.=20
> Still need to know why they were here and not in
> England,/Birmingham where they were likely produced.
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> BB
> --- "j.howes" <j.howes@...> wrote:
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> > Hey Clem,
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> > I would not lose any sleep over it maybe BB will
> > post some images tomorrow. See attached!
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> > ----- Original Message -----=20
> > From: Clement V. Schettino=20
> > To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com=20
> > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 3:29 PM
> > Subject: RE: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood 33 =3D
> > English Evasion - Resend of Prior Msg
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> > Hey Ray,
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> > First of all I don't think the counterfeiters were
> > "big" on spacing ;-) but you inadvertently opened my
> > eyes to another possibility I hadn't considered.
> > Maybe the R was placed at a bit of an angle when
> > punched causing it only to have been partly visible
> > to begin with.
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> > BTW, I sincerely apologize that I will not be
> > posting the full image, nor will you see it posted
> > here.=20
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> > I am very sorry and surely didn't mean to start
> > something I couldn't finish; this did not even
> > remotely come to mind. Fortunately in my stupidity I
> > did the wrong thing and posted the important bit. I
> > was just informed that the owner of the image I
> > spoke of does NOT want his images posted here. I'm
> > already in enough trouble with some people here
> > because I don't seem to express myself properly so
> > I'll say nothing more on this matter except I'm
> > sorry.
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> > Next topic.
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> > Clem
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> > From: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > Ray Williams
> > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 2:46 PM
> > To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood 33 =3D
> > English Evasion - Resend of Prior Msg
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> > Clem,
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> > The right leg of the R doesn't have enough
> > room to fit with the next letter so close, but it
> > does look like an R...
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> > Ray
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> > ----- Original Message -----=20
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> > From: Oliver D. Hoover=20
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> > To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com=20
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> > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 2:13 PM
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> > Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood 33 =3D
> > English Evasion - Resend of Prior Msg
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> > Thanks Clem. This is precisely my point.=20=20
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> > Oliver
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> > On 21-Jan-08, at 2:10 PM, Clement V. Schettino
> > wrote:
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> > I guess before we all go much further I will
> > post what I have, partially. I'll leave the full
> > post to the owner who must not be by his computer as
> > I'm sure he would share this image with us all for
> > the sake of numismatics.
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> > These pieces of the image is the best I know how
> > to do. They should come across well enough to zoom
> > in on closer.
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> > Clem
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> > From: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > Morris Hankins
> > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 1:39 PM
> > To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood 33 =3D
> > English Evasion - Resend of Prior Msg
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> > Oliver, Tonight I will send pics and
> > explanations again on why the reverse is BTITI and
> > not BRTIT or BITIT. Also an explanation on why not
> > an R or P. These will include photos of your coin
> > as well as JPL's coins.
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> > Morris
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> > "Oliver D. Hoover" <oliver.hoover@...>
> > wrote:
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> > It should be BRITI.=20
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> > Oliver
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> > On 21-Jan-08, at 1:24 PM, Dan Burleson wrote:
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> > Why is it B R T I T and not B R I T I.? I have
> > one that seems to show a triangle right and half way
> > up of the fourth letter and appears to be part of a
> > T. I would think the I's would have bases.
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> > Dan
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> > John Lorenzo wrote:=20
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> > Look first for the presence of die polishing
> > lines on the tops of=20
> > the letters ... then proceed to your
> > interpretation of BRITAIN. If=20
> > the die polishing lines are not present with a
> > loop it may either be=20
> > another die (i.e., we would expect more than
> > one die marriage=20
> > marriage here - particularly after the
> > situation when Ringo try to=20
> > sell me 150 W33 examples in one transaction in
> > the 90's which=20
> > eventaully went to a Maine Collector) or the
> > grade may not be high=20
> > enough on the correct die to see the faint
> > images to complete the=20
> > word BRTIT. Keep digging ... on the most
> > common R1 Evasion. In may=20
> > be that this is the only R1 Evasion known ...
> > right Morris?=20
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> > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com,
> > "j.howes" <j.howes@> wrote:
> > >
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> > > I don't see any indication of an R. So, I
> > would like to see=20
> > somone post an=20
> > > image that shows an early die state.
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> > > ----- Original Message -----=20
> > > From: "Oliver D. Hoover" <oliver.hoover@>
> > > To: <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 11:36 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood 33
> > =3D English Evasion
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> > > You can make out the slight tail of the R on
> > my=20
> =3D=3D=3D message truncated =3D=3D=3D
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