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From: "John Lorenzo" <jlorenzo@ob.ilww.com>
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood 33 = English Evasion - Resend of Prior Msg, J Howes
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I really do not comment on those pre-1787/1788 Machins Mills=20
singletons anymore ... besdies ... there is too much MONEY ...=20
ooooops ... OLD & HARDENED CONCRETE holding them down <BG> ...
--- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, B B <rlbcomuser@...> wrote:
>
> Can't say about the 1910s, I have enough trouble
> remembering the 70's.
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> I've never seen those two terms put together for them
> though.......I've seen Pennsylvania Tory Coppers and
> Bungtowns used for a lot of what we deal with, as well
> as contemporary counterfeits.
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> No one put a real label to them until the 60's, thanks
> to Bob Vlack, now everything is a Machins Mills
> Copper, LOL.
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> BB
> --- John Lorenzo <jlorenzo@...> wrote:
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> > People were using the term "Pennsylvanai Bungtowns"
> > in the 70's ...=20
> > what were they thinking around the 1910 era <BG>.
> >=20
> >=20
> > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, B B
> > <rlbcomuser@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Don't know if these will help, but at a slight
> > angle
> > > these images are a little more pronounced. I also
> > > believe the R punch was at an angle and runs into
> > the
> > > base of the T. Also, there is some evidence, as
> > > Morris mentioned He'd discuss further, the obverse
> > > leend being GEO and not GLO.
> > >=20
> > > I think what may bs a reason HW included them in
> > the
> > > Blacksmith listing is the uniformity of the
> > blanks.=20
> > > They are quite decent copper and look similar to
> > the
> > > wood 1-18 series from that perspective. This
> > point
> > > could also be made of a lot of other evasions if
> > you
> > > would get a number of them together and view good
> > > grade examples. The liklihood is that Wood didn't
> > see
> > > that with the evasions, but because the Wood 33s
> > were
> > > very prediminant in early collections in North
> > America
> > > it appeared they belonged to the Blacksmith
> > series.=20
> > > Still need to know why they were here and not in
> > > England,/Birmingham where they were likely
> > produced.
> > >=20
> > > BB
> > > --- "j.howes" <j.howes@> wrote:
> > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > > Hey Clem,
> > > >=20
> > > > I would not lose any sleep over it maybe BB will
> > > > post some images tomorrow. See attached!
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > > ----- Original Message -----=20
> > > > From: Clement V. Schettino=20
> > > > To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com=20
> > > > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 3:29 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood 33 =3D
> > > > English Evasion - Resend of Prior Msg
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > > Hey Ray,
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > > First of all I don't think the counterfeiters
> > were
> > > > "big" on spacing ;-) but you inadvertently
> > opened my
> > > > eyes to another possibility I hadn't considered.
> > > > Maybe the R was placed at a bit of an angle when
> > > > punched causing it only to have been partly
> > visible
> > > > to begin with.
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > > BTW, I sincerely apologize that I will not be
> > > > posting the full image, nor will you see it
> > posted
> > > > here.=20
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > > I am very sorry and surely didn't mean to
> > start
> > > > something I couldn't finish; this did not even
> > > > remotely come to mind. Fortunately in my
> > stupidity I
> > > > did the wrong thing and posted the important
> > bit. I
> > > > was just informed that the owner of the image I
> > > > spoke of does NOT want his images posted here.
> > I'm
> > > > already in enough trouble with some people here
> > > > because I don't seem to express myself properly
> > so
> > > > I'll say nothing more on this matter except I'm
> > > > sorry.
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > > Next topic.
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > > Clem
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > >
> > >
> >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> > -----------
> > > >=20
> > > > From: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> > > > [mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of
> > > > Ray Williams
> > > > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 2:46 PM
> > > > To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood 33 =3D
> > > > English Evasion - Resend of Prior Msg
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > > Clem,
> > > >=20
> > > > The right leg of the R doesn't have enough
> > > > room to fit with the next letter so close, but
> > it
> > > > does look like an R...
> > > >=20
> > > > Ray
> > > >=20
> > > > ----- Original Message -----=20
> > > >=20
> > > > From: Oliver D. Hoover=20
> > > >=20
> > > > To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com=20
> > > >=20
> > > > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 2:13 PM
> > > >=20
> > > > Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood 33
> > =3D
> > > > English Evasion - Resend of Prior Msg
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > > Thanks Clem. This is precisely my point.=20=20
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > > Oliver
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > > On 21-Jan-08, at 2:10 PM, Clement V.
> > Schettino
> > > > wrote:
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > > I guess before we all go much further I will
> > > > post what I have, partially. I'll leave the full
> > > > post to the owner who must not be by his
> > computer as
> > > > I'm sure he would share this image with us all
> > for
> > > > the sake of numismatics.
> > > >=20
> > > > These pieces of the image is the best I know
> > how
> > > > to do. They should come across well enough to
> > zoom
> > > > in on closer.
> > > >=20
> > > > Clem
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > >
> > >
> >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ---------
> > > >=20
> > > > From: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> > > > [mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of
> > > > Morris Hankins
> > > > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 1:39 PM
> > > > To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood 33
> > =3D
> > > > English Evasion - Resend of Prior Msg
> > > >=20
> > > > Oliver, Tonight I will send pics and
> > > > explanations again on why the reverse is BTITI
> > and
> > > > not BRTIT or BITIT. Also an explanation on why
> > not
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> =3D=3D=3D message truncated =3D=3D=3D
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