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John --
I am pleased to see that you read the two CNL reference pages. There
are, of course, some others (pages)as well.
Something *really* bothers me today, and that is the large number of
current questions regarding topics that were research and documented in
CNL many years ago. People are still attempting to reinvent the wheel.
If everyone would simply download a current CNL index and read it for a
few evenings they would discover information and topics of interest that
they had no idea existed. I designed that index so that it could be
searched by computer, through the Adobe software, very quickly, and
cross-referenced in so many ways that it is almost impossible to miss a
subject if you really search for it.
Today someone asks a serious eGroup question and the usual response is a
huge amount of speculation, but few facts. Wake up folk! Study the
forest and discover the trees!
Jim/CNLF
=================================
> Jim
>
> I see you were inquiring about the copies of colonial coins in May 1971. By that time Peter Rosa probably had over a quarter million repros sold. I am not sure of the date of the TIME magazine offer but it was probably circa 1967-1969.
>
> I like Eric Newman's "We were not Colonial in 1787!" Sorry gents but sobriety is heavenly!
>
> John
>
> John N. Lupia III
> New Jersey, USA; Beirut, Lebanon
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Roman-Catholic-News/
> God Bless Everyone
>
>
> --- On Wed, 6/25/08, James Spilman <CNLF@Comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>> From: James Spilman <CNLF@Comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] FW: NE XII in copper-BECKER
>> To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 3:11 PM
>> Clem --
>>
>> I have one of the original TIME Magazine sets -- still in
>> its original
>> shipping envelope. The Fugio in the set was discussed in a
>> CNL issue
>> with a stupid letter from the Director of the Mint; CNL
>> pages 319 & 332.
>>
>> Jim/CNLF
>>
>> ======================================
>>
>> Clement V. Schettino wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Ray,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It's funny you should mention that. Lately I have
>>>
>> taken a fondness to
>>
>>> the Becker copies. They are casts or electros with a
>>>
>> heavy plating. I
>>
>>> find them quite well done. I managed to find two, the
>>>
>> Continental
>>
>>> Currency and the Fugio. One problem was I didn't
>>>
>> know how many
>>
>>> different Colonial types he made or what constituted a
>>>
>> "complete" set.
>>
>>> I tried to find out more about him and was bewildered
>>>
>> why I couldn't
>>
>>> find much. At this point I attribute that to the fact
>>>
>> that he was
>>
>>> contemporary with most of us so no one bothered to
>>>
>> document his
>>
>>> activities.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I plan to research this more, his activities and time
>>>
>> frames. Any help
>>
>>> will be greatly appreciated (hint, hint...Mike).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> AAR, right in the middle of my Becker search I came
>>>
>> across an eBay
>>
>>> auction simply titled "cions" (yes, spelt
>>>
>> like that). My curiosity got
>>
>>> the better of me and I opened it...WOW! Was I happy I
>>>
>> did. There
>>
>>> before me was a "full set" of Becker copies!
>>>
>> And in an original holder
>>
>>> to boot! Not that I even knew there was an
>>>
>> "original holder". Long
>>
>>> story short I watched it for a week and nobody bid, I
>>>
>> got it for the
>>
>>> opener.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For now I'll just show some full photos, no time
>>>
>> for individual "coin"
>>
>>> obv/rev close-ups yet. But after I find out a bit more
>>>
>> I hope to write
>>
>>> something on the subject for C4, with more pictures
>>>
>> and specifications.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> One thing I will say, because I think its important is
>>>
>> the Pillar
>>
>>> Dollar is dated 1760, it has a crack in the right obv
>>>
>> field
>>
>>> horizontally. It is the only specimen in my
>>>
>> "set" NOT marked Becker on
>>
>>> the edge. I see it often on eBay being offered as a
>>>
>> genuine! Be
>>
>>> warned...Beware.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> BTW, note that this package was a *Time Magazine*
>>>
>> offering, "A Fourth
>>
>>> of July memento" (that's specific ;-). I am
>>>
>> guessing it was a give a
>>
>>> way with a subscription probably in 1976, the
>>>
>> Bicentennial Year.
>>
>>> That's my guess. The set is not dated. Again I am
>>>
>> looking for more
>>
>>> information, such as does anyone have a set? Has
>>>
>> anyone seen one
>>
>>> before? Does anyone know when it was distributed? Did
>>>
>> EVERYONE throw
>>
>>> their's away!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Clem
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> PS, I will reply with a few more images...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>> *From:* colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
>>> [mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of
>>>
>> *Ray Williams
>>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:10 PM
>>> *To:* colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Colonial Numismatics] FW: NE XII in
>>>
>> copper
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Clem,
>>>
>>> Thanks for posting. If anyone is looking for a
>>>
>> worthwhile
>>
>>> research project that would end in the publication of
>>>
>> a book, I'd
>>
>>> enjoy having a copy of a book containing images and
>>>
>> information about
>>
>>> copies and forgeries of colonial coins.
>>>
>>> Ray
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Clement V. Schettino
>>>
>> <mailto:copperclem@comcast.net>
>>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:21 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
>>> <mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>
>>>
>>> *Subject:* [Colonial Numismatics] FW: NE XII in copper
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey all, see my post below. I tried to send both
>>>
>> images at once but
>>
>>> they caught me ;-(
>>>
>>> Clem
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>> *From:* Clement V. Schettino
>>>
>> [mailto:copperclem@comcast.net]
>>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:15 AM
>>> *To:* 'colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com'
>>> <mailto:%27colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com%27>
>>> *Subject:* NE XII in copper
>>>
>>> Hey All,
>>>
>>> I thought I'd shoot and post some recent
>>>
>> acquisitions.
>>
>>> This first is what I thought was a very neat copy of a
>>>
>> NE Shilling
>>
>>> struck in copper. I have made the following
>>>
>> observations so far.
>>
>>> 1. It is struck in copper
>>> 2. The punches I have never seen before.
>>> 3. The right upright to the N is most unusual.
>>> 4. The punch engravers scratch protruding from the
>>>
>> back of the
>>
>>> middle crossbar of the E is typically seen on
>>>
>> genuine examples.
>>
>>> 5. The obv was punched I think 3 times. The second
>>>
>> (?) close to the
>>
>>> final clear punch, the first rotated about 90
>>>
>> degrees at K3.
>>
>>> 6. I have yet to weigh or measure the diameter; it
>>>
>> is only a copy
>>
>>> after all.
>>>
>>> Has anyone seen this copy? Any comments?
>>>
>>> Clem
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
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<tt>John --<br>
<br>
I am pleased to see that you read the two CNL reference pages. There
are, of course, some others (pages)as well.<br>
<br>
Something <b>really</b> bothers me today, and that is the large number
of current questions regarding topics that were research and documented
in CNL many years ago. People are still attempting to reinvent the
wheel. If everyone would simply download a current CNL index and read
it for a few evenings they would discover information and topics of
interest that they had no idea existed. I designed that index so that
it could be searched by computer, through the Adobe software, very
quickly, and cross-referenced in so many ways that it is almost
impossible to miss a subject if you really search for it.<br>
<br>
Today someone asks a serious eGroup question and the usual response is
a huge amount of speculation, but few facts. Wake up folk! Study the
forest and discover the trees!<br>
<br>
Jim/CNLF<br>
<br>
=================================<br>
</tt>
<blockquote cite="mid:798239.86527.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com"
type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Jim
I see you were inquiring about the copies of colonial coins in May 1971. By that time Peter Rosa probably had over a quarter million repros sold. I am not sure of the date of the TIME magazine offer but it was probably circa 1967-1969.
I like Eric Newman's "We were not Colonial in 1787!" Sorry gents but sobriety is heavenly!
John
John N. Lupia III
New Jersey, USA; Beirut, Lebanon
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Roman-Catholic-News/">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Roman-Catholic-News/</a>
God Bless Everyone
--- On Wed, 6/25/08, James Spilman <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:CNLF@Comcast.net"><CNLF@Comcast.net></a> wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">From: James Spilman <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:CNLF@Comcast.net"><CNLF@Comcast.net></a>
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] FW: NE XII in copper-BECKER
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a>
Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 3:11 PM
Clem --
I have one of the original TIME Magazine sets -- still in
its original
shipping envelope. The Fugio in the set was discussed in a
CNL issue
with a stupid letter from the Director of the Mint; CNL
pages 319 & 332.
Jim/CNLF
======================================
Clement V. Schettino wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Hey Ray,
It's funny you should mention that. Lately I have
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">taken a fondness to
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">the Becker copies. They are casts or electros with a
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">heavy plating. I
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">find them quite well done. I managed to find two, the
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">Continental
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Currency and the Fugio. One problem was I didn't
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">know how many
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">different Colonial types he made or what constituted a
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">"complete" set.
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">I tried to find out more about him and was bewildered
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">why I couldn't
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">find much. At this point I attribute that to the fact
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">that he was
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">contemporary with most of us so no one bothered to
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">document his
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">activities.
I plan to research this more, his activities and time
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">frames. Any help
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">will be greatly appreciated (hint, hint...Mike).
AAR, right in the middle of my Becker search I came
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">across an eBay
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">auction simply titled "cions" (yes, spelt
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">like that). My curiosity got
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">the better of me and I opened it...WOW! Was I happy I
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">did. There
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">before me was a "full set" of Becker copies!
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">And in an original holder
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">to boot! Not that I even knew there was an
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">"original holder". Long
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">story short I watched it for a week and nobody bid, I
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">got it for the
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">opener.
For now I'll just show some full photos, no time
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">for individual "coin"
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">obv/rev close-ups yet. But after I find out a bit more
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">I hope to write
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">something on the subject for C4, with more pictures
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">and specifications.
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">
One thing I will say, because I think its important is
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">the Pillar
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Dollar is dated 1760, it has a crack in the right obv
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">field
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">horizontally. It is the only specimen in my
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">"set" NOT marked Becker on
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">the edge. I see it often on eBay being offered as a
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">genuine! Be
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">warned...Beware.
BTW, note that this package was a *Time Magazine*
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">offering, "A Fourth
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">of July memento" (that's specific ;-). I am
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">guessing it was a give a
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">way with a subscription probably in 1976, the
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">Bicentennial Year.
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">That's my guess. The set is not dated. Again I am
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">looking for more
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">information, such as does anyone have a set? Has
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">anyone seen one
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">before? Does anyone know when it was distributed? Did
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">EVERYONE throw
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">their's away!!!
Thanks,
Clem
PS, I will reply with a few more images...
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">------------------------------------------------------------------------
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">*From:* <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com">mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a>] *On Behalf Of
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">*Ray Williams
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">*Sent:* Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:10 PM
*To:* <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a>
*Subject:* Re: [Colonial Numismatics] FW: NE XII in
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">copper
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">
Clem,
Thanks for posting. If anyone is looking for a
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">worthwhile
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">research project that would end in the publication of
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">a book, I'd
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">enjoy having a copy of a book containing images and
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">information about
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">copies and forgeries of colonial coins.
Ray
*From:* Clement V. Schettino
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:copperclem@comcast.net"><mailto:copperclem@comcast.net></a>
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">*Sent:* Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:21 AM
*To:* <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com"><mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com></a>
*Subject:* [Colonial Numismatics] FW: NE XII in copper
Hey all, see my post below. I tried to send both
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">images at once but
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">they caught me ;-(
Clem
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">------------------------------------------------------------------------
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">*From:* Clement V. Schettino
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:copperclem@comcast.net">mailto:copperclem@comcast.net</a>]
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">*Sent:* Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:15 AM
*To:* '<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a>'
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:%27colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com%27"><mailto:%27colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com%27></a>
*Subject:* NE XII in copper
Hey All,
I thought I'd shoot and post some recent
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">acquisitions.
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">This first is what I thought was a very neat copy of a
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">NE Shilling
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">struck in copper. I have made the following
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">observations so far.
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> 1. It is struck in copper
2. The punches I have never seen before.
3. The right upright to the N is most unusual.
4. The punch engravers scratch protruding from the
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">back of the
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> middle crossbar of the E is typically seen on
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">genuine examples.
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> 5. The obv was punched I think 3 times. The second
</pre>
</blockquote>
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