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From: "Byron Weston" <bkw11@psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] FW: NE XII in copper-BECKER
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Jeff,
May I quote you on this?<s>
Byron
--- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, Rosaamltd@... wrote:
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> Jim, I heartily agree...yet am often guilty of just the problem=20
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> I think the biggest obstacle is that today there is almost TOO=20=20
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> library of colonial material consisted of a Crosby, a Maris, a=20
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> VT and MA, a set of CNL and a handful of auction catalogues. Of=20=20
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> set of CNL then was "only" on the order of 75 or so issues too!=20=20=20
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> That said, many of the questions asked on this group ARE answered=20
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> in Phil Mossman's wonderful book (which is also a source that=20
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> Jim
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> John
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> --- On Wed, 6/25/08, James Spilman _<CNLF@...>_=20
> (mailto:CNLF@...) wrote:
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> From: James Spilman _<CNLF@...>_ (mailto:CNLF@...)=20
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> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] FW: NE XII in copper-BECKER
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> Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 3:11 PM
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> Clem --
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> Hey Ray,
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> I plan to research this more, his activities and time
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> AAR, ri
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> auction simply titled "cions" (yes, spelt
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> the better of me and I opened it...WOW! Was I happy I
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> And in an original holder=20
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> to boot! Not that I even knew there was an
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> story short I watched it for a week and nobody bid, I
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> For now I'll just show some full photos, no time
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> One thing I will say, because I think its important is
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> the edge. I see it often on eBay being offered as a
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> BTW, note that this package was a *Time Magazine*
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> of July memento" (that's specific ;-). I am
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> That's my guess. The set is not dated. Again I am
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> Thanks,
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> Clem
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> PS, I will reply with a few more images...
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> *From:* _colonial-coins@colonial-coicol_=20
> (mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com)=20=20
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> [_mailto:colonial-mailto:colonial-mailt_=20
> (mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com) ] *On Behalf Of
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> *Ray Williams
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> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:10 PM
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> *To:* _colonial-coins@colonial-coicol_=20
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> *Subject:* Re: [Colonial Numismatics] FW: NE XII in
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> Clem,
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> Thanks for posting. If anyone is looking for a
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> research project that would end in the publication of
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> Ray
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> *From:* Clement V. Schettino
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> _<mailto:copperclem@mailto:copp>_ (mailto:copperclem@...)=20
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> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:21 AM
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> *To:* _colonial-coins@colonial-coicol_=20
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> *Subject:* [Colonial Numismatics] FW: NE XII in copper
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> Hey all, see my post below. I tried to send both
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> Clem
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> *From:* Clement V. Schettino
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> [_mailto:copperclem@mailto:copp_ (mailto:copperclem@...) ]
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> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:15 AM
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> *To:* '_colonial-coins@colonial-coicol_=20
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> *Subject:* NE XII in copper
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> Hey All,
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> I thought I'd shoot and post some recent
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> This first is what I thought was a very neat copy of a
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> 1. It is struck in copper
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> 4. The punch engravers scratch protruding from the
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> middle crossbar of the E is typically seen on
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> 5. The obv was punched I think 3 times. The second
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> 6. I have yet to weigh or measure the diameter; it
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> Has anyone seen this copy? Any comments?
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> Clem
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