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Jim,
I didn't know you broke your ankle - I must have missed that post. I h=
ope it heals soon and completely
Ray
From: John Lupia=20
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 2:47 PM
To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com=20
Subject: Re: The Durst's, was Re: [Colonial Numismatics] FW: NE XII in copp=
er-BECKER
Sorry, Jim. I should have realized you needed to retrieve the set and I am =
aware you are confined with a broken ankle to a wheelchair. My mistake.
I hope you get well soon.
John
John N. Lupia III
New Jersey, USA; Beirut, Lebanon=20
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Roman-Catholic-News/
God Bless Everyone
--- On Fri, 6/27/08, James Spilman <CNLF@Comcast.net> wrote:
> From: James Spilman <CNLF@Comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: The Durst's, was Re: [Colonial Numismatics] FW: NE XII in co=
pper-BECKER
> To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 1:52 PM
> Clem and John --
>=20
> Not a "no-show" but indeed a very
> "slow-show". High shelves and low=20
> wheelchair have put a big crimp in my reach for some
> reference materials.
>=20
> My wife just retrieved the "TIME" set for me.=20
> The postmark on the=20
> shipping envelope is New York, 9 August 1967.
>=20
> Jim/CNLF
>=20
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D
>=20
> John Lupia wrote:
> > Clem:
> >
> > Getting back to your original question, I do not own
> these repros. I did spot them on ebay but chose not to buy.
> I think I regret that now<BG> I do have two other
> repro sets that are terrible. These TIME repro sets are
> absolutely deceptive and I wish I had a better set like
> this. Answering you other question as to when these were
> made, I think you guessed 1976 for the Bi-Centennial, but I
> think they were a decade earlier, since Jim Spilman wrote
> about the Fugio repro in May 1971 citing it as far back as
> 1967 in his letter to the defuddled Director of the Mint
> who thought she was being slick, shrewd and clever as a
> lawyer-politician by skirting the issue saying it was not
> coinage of the US Government. This is why I cited Eric
> Newman's comment to her letter.
> >
> > I suggested to Jim that the set was made probably
> between 1967 and 1969, like you awaiting his response, but
> he was a no-show.
> >
> > John
> >
> > John N. Lupia III
> > New Jersey, USA; Beirut, Lebanon=20
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Roman-Catholic-News/
> > God Bless Everyone
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 6/27/08, Clement V. Schettino
> <copperclem@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >=20
> >> From: Clement V. Schettino
> <copperclem@comcast.net>
> >> Subject: RE: The Durst's, was Re: [Colonial
> Numismatics] FW: NE XII in copper-BECKER
> >> To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> >> Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 12:41 PM
> >> I=E2EUR^(TM)m in John=E2EUR^(TM)s camp here.=20
> >>
> >>=20
> >>
> >> When I first started collecting colonials my main
> searches
> >> consisted of
> >> information/books, most of which I could not
> afford. Durst
> >> supplied many
> >> needs and from there I decided which
> =E2EURoeoriginals=E2EUR? or
> >> better reprints I
> >> needed. He then supplied many of those for me,
> most of
> >> which I still have.
> >>
> >>=20
> >>
> >> AAR this string seems to have changed to something
> other
> >> then what I
> >> started. It was very informative and I enjoyed it.
> I
> >> appreciate being
> >> pointed to all the CNL articles and the abundance
> of
> >> information I wouldn=E2EUR^(TM)t
> >> have found in my CNL=E2EUR^(TM)s. Thanks to all.
> >>
> >>=20
> >>
> >> But let me ask one of the original questions again
> before I
> >> let it go... Who
> >> all has the set I pictured. All I heard from along
> that
> >> line was Jim, he has
> >> one (I did ask what the postmark was Jim, maybe
> you missed
> >> that question?).
> >> So I assume no one else has one. The other part of
> that
> >> question was how
> >> many of you then has seen one before?
> >>
> >>=20
> >>
> >>=20
> >>
> >> Thanks again,
> >>
> >> Clem
> >>
> >>=20
> >>
> >>=20
> >>
> >> _____=20
> >>
> >> From: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> >> [mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com]
> >> On Behalf Of John Lupia
> >> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 12:25 PM
> >> To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> >> Subject: The Durst's, was Re: [Colonial
> Numismatics]
> >> FW: NE XII in
> >> copper-BECKER
> >>
> >>=20
> >>
> >> I have an antique reader from about 1800 in which
> >> schoolboys penned their
> >> names on the front fly pages and occasional lines
> of verse.
> >> One poem I have
> >> found charming, amusing and illuminating.=20
> >>
> >> Thrice I did good and that I heard never
> >> Once I did bad and that I heard ever.
> >>
> >> Well printed photos of coins are evidently very
> important
> >> for collectors to
> >> use as exemplars comparing the details of the coin
> in print
> >> to the one in
> >> hand so see where it falls in classification.
> Sanford Durst
> >> made many
> >> hundreds of rare and obscure titles in numismatic
> >> literature available at
> >> inexpensive prices. Since the operative word is
> inexpensive
> >> one should keep
> >> in mind that by definition it could never mean
> expensive
> >> high quality
> >> photographic plate reproduction. There anyone
> should know
> >> from common sense
> >> that the main import of the value of Durst
> Publications is
> >> on the texts.
> >> Although, perhaps, I am very fortunate, that the
> copies of
> >> plates I have
> >> found are adequate, but, I agree that they are far
> from
> >> superior.=20
> >>
> >> I am aware it is a very sensitive subject, and
> also a
> >> complicated one.
> >> Images are valuable sources of information. But a
> well
> >> written text follows
> >> the images very closely in every detail describing
> what is
> >> visually evident
> >> down to the minute detail. Poorly written texts do
> not
> >> serve in this
> >> capacity and rely on the photographic plate to
> express and
> >> convey what they
> >> cannot. The true value of a numismatic author,
> therefore,
> >> lies in their
> >> ability to convey well in words what is obviated
> by plates,
> >> and plates,
> >> therefore only serve to enhance the text of a well
> written
> >> book offering
> >> supporting visual details which were already
> painted as
> >> pictures in the
> >> minds of the readers from the words. As in all
> well written
> >> literature
> >> authors paint pictures in the minds of readers,
> depending
> >> on the genre, how
> >> much of the picture is deliberately left to
> one's
> >> imagination. Consequently,
> >> well written numismatic literature controls the
> focus of
> >> the mind to avoid
> >> imaginative
> >> fiction and provide clarity and precision in what
> a coin
> >> actually looks
> >> like. Then, there are those coin collectors that
> only look
> >> at the pictures
> >> and do not read the texts and enjoy books as eye
> candy.
> >> Then, there ate
> >> connoisseurs of books that enjoy every edition
> good and
> >> poor alike for
> >> comparisons etc. Among the so-called numismatic
> >> bibliomanics are those that
> >> only buy the best editions. So there are many and
> varied
> >> levels of
> >> numismatic book collecting.=20
> >>
> >> Now Sanford and Lorraine Durst have provided a
> wealth of
> >> titles accessible
> >> to researchers that would make research all the
> more
> >> difficult without them.
> >> In this capacity they have served the numismatic
> community
> >> very well.
> >> Moreover, they have published numerous catalogs of
> >> numismatic literature
> >> also valuable to the discerning researcher. Beyond
> that,
> >> they have their own
> >> research published which also has been very
> valuable to
> >> researchers
> >> regardless of how] one reviews them and in the
> long term
> >> they will be shown
> >> to have devoted their lives to serving the
> numismatic
> >> community as all the
> >> greats of our collective history.
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >> John N. Lupia III
> >> New Jersey, USA; Beirut, Lebanon=20
> >> http://groups.
> >>
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Roman-Catholic-News/>
> >> yahoo.com/group/Roman-Catholic-News/
> >> God Bless Everyone
> >>
> >> --- On Fri, 6/27/08, palmers4@rcn.
> >> <mailto:palmers4%40rcn.com> com
> >> <palmers4@rcn.
> <mailto:palmers4%40rcn.com> com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>=20
> >>> From: palmers4@rcn.
> <mailto:palmers4%40rcn.com>
> >>>=20
> >> com <palmers4@rcn.
> >> <mailto:palmers4%40rcn.com> com>
> >>=20
> >>> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] FW: NE XII
> in
> >>>=20
> >> copper-BECKER
> >>=20
> >>> To: colonial-coins@
> >>>=20
> >> <mailto:colonial-coins%40yahoogroups.com>
> >> yahoogroups.com
> >>=20
> >>> Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 11:54 AM
> >>> As evidenced by the surge in collecting Large
> Cents
> >>>=20
> >> after
> >>=20
> >>> the publication
> >>> of Penny Whinsy( the original) and the surge
> in
> >>>=20
> >> collecting
> >>=20
> >>> Connecticuts
> >>> after Taylor Sale, we can see the value of
> plates! For
> >>>=20
> >> all
> >>=20
> >>> the good the
> >>> Dursts may have done, they will sadly be
> remembered
> >>>=20
> >> for
> >>=20
> >>> those two
> >>> abomination reprints. David
> >>>
> >>> Original Message:
> >>> -----------------
> >>> From: James Spilman CNLF@Comcast.
> >>>=20
> >> <mailto:CNLF%40Comcast.net> net
> >>=20
> >>> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:20:09 -0500
> >>> To: colonial-coins@
> >>>=20
> >> <mailto:colonial-coins%40yahoogroups.com>
> >> yahoogroups.com
> >>=20
> >>> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] FW: NE XII
> in
> >>> copper-BECKER
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> All --
> >>>
> >>> The overall quality of those reprints has been
> --
> >>> consistently -- poor.=20
> >>> Plates are all but useless.
> >>>
> >>> Jim/CNLF
> >>>
> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> >>>
> >>> palmers4@rcn.
> <mailto:palmers4%40rcn.com> com
> >>>=20
> >> wrote:
> >>=20
> >>>> Steve, They did the Connecticut reprint
> you speak
> >>>>=20
> >> of,
> >>=20
> >>> as well as the last
> >>>=20
> >>>> Penny Whimsy reprint that everyone hated.
> David
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Original Message:
> >>>> -----------------
> >>>> From: Steve Frank taxi_steve929@
> >>>>=20
> >> <mailto:taxi_steve929%40yahoo.com>
> >> yahoo.com
> >>=20
> >>>> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 22:21:23 -0700
> (PDT)
> >>>> To: colonial-coins@
> >>>>=20
> >> <mailto:colonial-coins%40yahoogroups.com>
> >> yahoogroups.com
> >>=20
> >>>> Subject: RE: [Colonial Numismatics] FW: NE
> XII in
> >>>>=20
> >>> copper-BECKER
> >>>=20
> >>>> this one...the plates are pretty
> sharp....are
> >>>>=20
> >> they the
> >>=20
> >>> ones who printed
> >>>=20
> >>>> that horrible connecticut book reprint???
> the
> >>>>=20
> >> plates
> >>=20
> >>> were absolutely
> >>>=20
> >>>> useless and the reason I never bought more
> than a
> >>>>=20
> >>> couple
> >>>=20
> >>>> connecticuts....they're almost
> impossible for
> >>>>=20
> >> me
> >>=20
> >>> to attribute to begin
> >>>=20
> >>>> with<s>
> >>>>
> >>>> --- On Thu, 6/26/08, palmers4@rcn.
> >>>>=20
> >> <mailto:palmers4%40rcn.com> com
> >>=20
> >>> <palmers4@rcn.
> <mailto:palmers4%40rcn.com>
> >>>=20
> >> com> wrote:
> >>=20
> >>>> From: palmers4@rcn.
> >>>>=20
> >> <mailto:palmers4%40rcn.com> com
> <palmers4@rcn.
> >> <mailto:palmers4%40rcn.com> com>
> >>=20
> >>>> Subject: RE: [Colonial Numismatics] FW: NE
> XII in
> >>>>=20
> >>> copper-BECKER
> >>>=20
> >>>> To: colonial-coins@
> >>>>=20
> >> <mailto:colonial-coins%40yahoogroups.com>
> >> yahoogroups.com
> >>=20
> >>>> Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 1:22 AM
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> But due to the plates of many, they are
> almost
> >>>>=20
> >>> useless. David
> >>>=20
> >>>> Original Message:
> >>>> ------------ -----
> >>>> From: Steve Frank taxi_steve929@ yahoo.com
> >>>> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:09:27 -0700
> (PDT)
> >>>> To: colonial-coins@ yahoogroups. com
> >>>> Subject: RE: [Colonial Numismatics] FW: NE
> XII in
> >>>>=20
> >>> copper-BECKER
> >>>=20
> >>>> it's just the plate quality i was
> refering
> >>>>=20
> >> to...
> >>=20
> >>> the books are inexpensive
> >>>=20
> >>>> and great for someone on a budget....
> >>>>
> >>>> --- On Wed, 6/25/08, John Lupia
> >>>>=20
> >> <jlupia2@yahoo.
> >>=20
> >>> com> wrote:
> >>>=20
> >>>> From: John Lupia <jlupia2@yahoo.
> com>
> >>>> Subject: RE: [Colonial Numismatics] FW: NE
> XII in
> >>>>=20
> >>> copper-BECKER
> >>>=20
> >>>> To: colonial-coins@ yahoogroups. com
> >>>> Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 2:56 PM
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Steve:
> >>>>
> >>>> Sanford and Lorraine Durst have done much
> to
> >>>>=20
> >> advance
> >>=20
> >>> the field of
> >>>=20
> >>>> numismatics and have little or no
> recognition.=20
> >>>>
> >>>> John N. Lupia III
> >>>> New Jersey, USA; Beirut, Lebanon=20
> >>>> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/Roman-
> Catholic-
> >>>>=20
> >> News/
> >>=20
> >>>> God Bless Everyone
> >>>>
> >>>> --- On Wed, 6/25/08, Steve Frank
> >>>>=20
> >> <taxi_steve929@
> >>=20
> >>> yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>=20
> >>>>=20
> >>>>> From: Steve Frank <taxi_steve929@
> >>>>>=20
> >> yahoo.com>
> >>=20
> >>>>> Subject: RE: [Colonial Numismatics]
> FW: NE
> >>>>>=20
> >> XII in
> >>=20
> >>> copper-BECKER
> >>>=20
> >>>>> To: colonial-coins@ yahoogroups. com
> >>>>> Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 2:51
> PM
> >>>>> durst published "becker the
> >>>>>=20
> >>> counterfeiter" by sir
> >>>=20
> >>>>> groge f. hill in 1995...i have
> copy...plates
> >>>>>=20
> >> are
> >>=20
> >>> typical of
> >>>=20
> >>>>> a lower priced copy..not horrific
> though....
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --- On Wed, 6/25/08, John Lupia
> >>>>>=20
> >> <jlupia2@yahoo.
> >>=20
> >>> com>
> >>>=20
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From: John Lupia <jlupia2@yahoo.
> com>
> >>>>> Subject: RE: [Colonial Numismatics]
> FW: NE
> >>>>>=20
> >> XII in
> >>=20
> >>>>> copper-BECKER
> >>>>> To: colonial-coins@ yahoogroups. com
> >>>>> Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 2:38
> PM
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Clem,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This one's for you!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Becker, Karl Wilhelm (1772-1830),
> notorious
> >>>>>=20
> >> forger
> >>=20
> >>> of
> >>>=20
> >>>>> ancient and later coins, Mason, I, No.
> 6,
> >>>>>=20
> >>> September (1867)
> >>>=20
> >>>>> : 58c; American Journal of
> Numismatics, Whole
> >>>>>=20
> >> No.
> >>=20
> >>> 93, July,
> >>>=20
> >>>>> 1881; (Frossard article) Mason, H-III,
> No. 2,
> >>>>>=20
> >>> September
> >>>=20
> >>>>> (1881) : 42b; forger of coins at
> Frankfort,
> >>>>>=20
> >>> Germany from
> >>>=20
> >>>>> 1815-1825.=20
> >>>>> Bibliography :=20
> >>>>> Colin Narbeth, The Coin Collector=C2=A2s
> >>>>>=20
> >> Encyclopedia
> >>=20
> >>> 1
> >>>=20
> >>>>> Hill, Sir George F., Becker the
> >>>>>=20
> >> Counterfeiter.
> >>=20
> >>> (London;
> >>>=20
> >>>>> Spink and Son:1955). A reprint of the
> 1924
> >>>>>=20
> >> and
> >>=20
> >>> 1925
> >>>=20
> >>>>> editions
> >>>>>
> >>>>> John N. Lupia III
> >>>>> New Jersey, USA; Beirut, Lebanon=20
> >>>>> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/Roman-
> >>>>>=20
> >> Catholic-
> >>=20
> >>> News/
> >>>=20
> >>>>> God Bless Everyone
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --- On Wed, 6/25/08, Clement V.
> Schettino
> >>>>> <copperclem@ comcast. net>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>=20
> >>>>>> From: Clement V. Schettino
> >>>>>>=20
> >> <copperclem@
> >>=20
> >>> comcast.
> >>>=20
> >>>>> net>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>=20
> >>>>>> Subject: RE: [Colonial
> Numismatics] FW:
> >>>>>>=20
> >> NE XII
> >>=20
> >>> in
> >>>=20
> >>>>> copper-BECKER
> >>>>>
> >>>>>=20
> >>>>>> To: colonial-coins@ yahoogroups.
> com
> >>>>>> Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008,
> 2:30 PM
> >>>>>> Hey Ray,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It's funny you should mention
> that.
> >>>>>>=20
> >> Lately
> >>=20
> >>> I have
> >>>=20
> >>>>> taken
> >>>>>
> >>>>>=20
> >>>>>> a fondness to the
> >>>>>> Becker copies. They are casts or
> electros
> >>>>>>=20
> >> with
> >>=20
> >>> a heavy
> >>>=20
> >>>>>> plating. I find them
> >>>>>> quite well done. I managed to find
> two,
> >>>>>>=20
> >> the
> >>=20
> >>>>> Continental
> >>>>>
> >>>>>=20
> >>>>>> Currency and the
> >>>>>> Fugio. One problem was I
> didn't know
> >>>>>>=20
> >> how
> >>=20
> >>> many
> >>>=20
> >>>>> different
> >>>>>
> >>>>>=20
> >>>>>> Colonial types he
> >>>>>> made or what constituted a
> >>>>>>=20
> >>> "complete" set. I
> >>>=20
> >>>>>> tried to find out more about
> >>>>>> him and was bewildered why I
> couldn't
> >>>>>>=20
> >> find
> >>=20
> >>> much.
> >>>=20
> >>>>> At
> >>>>>
> >>>>>=20
> >>>>>> this point I attribute
> >>>>>> that to the fact that he was
> contemporary
> >>>>>>=20
> >> with
> >>=20
> >>> most of
> >>>=20
> >>>>> us
> >>>>>
> >>>>>=20
> >>>>>> so no one bothered
> >>>>>> to document his activities.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I plan to research this more, his
> >>>>>>=20
> >> activities
> >>=20
> >>> and time
> >>>=20
> >>>>>> frames. Any help will
> >>>>>> be greatly appreciated (hint,
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