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I lightened the MG76 belonging to Goodheart or whatever his name is....the =
G in MG owns the top coin in the stitch, and it was on that link to his col=
lection. My coin, which is a scan, is the bottom coin. I lightened both coi=
ns and got them close enough to see they are the same...if not, extremely c=
lose. I can see spots on mine that are not struck up on his and vice versa.=
...on the reverse. This is the way the dies were made...this is why the edi=
tor of Medalic Illustrations said they were junk and belonged with children=
s toys in the John Adams article I posted. There is no line inside the obve=
rse legend. I'm 99.99% certain this is the same coin. What I want to do is =
find the corresponding Betts number to the MG number, if one exists. I see =
that Betts 180 seemed to be close...but I don't have betts. I was using the=
online version and got eye weary.=20
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I put the sight to the G of MG's photo collection of Admiral Vernon Medals.=
..I think he should know whether or not his coin is MG76 having written the=
book.=20
--- On Wed, 1/13/10, David Fanning <dfanning@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
From: David Fanning <dfanning@columbus.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Vernon Medal Picture
To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 8:25 PM
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Cool piece, Ray. McC-G 190. The signed ones are especially neat since most =
of them aren't.=20
df
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Ray Williams <njraywms@optonline. net> wro=
te:
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Hi Guys!
Here's the Vernon Medal Pictures.
Ray
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From: "Ray Williams" <njraywms@optonline. net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:30 PM
To: <colonial-coins@ yahoogroups. com>
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Admiral Vernon medal - need Betts numbe=
r
> I was asked for a picture of the medal I have, and I took one. But I
> need to wait for Diane to share it with the group. It needs to be loaded
> into one computer, then sent to another computer, then I have to find it.
> Once found, then I can take over and put it in an email. Admiral Vernon
> seems like he was a character! I understand that there was such respect=20
> for
> him by G Washington that he named Mt Vernon after him. Being that a book
> will be out soon, it might be appropriate to see if we can get a speaker=
=20
> on
> Vernon Medals to talk at C4... I know that the number of medal collectors
> among us is small, but there is a lot of history displayed in them and
> motivating their production. Admiral Vernon was the Schwarzkopf of his=20
> day!
> Just a brief story as I understand it... The Spanish were raiding
> British ships on the high seas (low seas too) and taking supplies & men.
> Admiral Vernon was a bit of a blowhard <sp> and bragged to Parliament tha=
t
> if they gave him six ships, he would capture Portobella. So he was given
> ships, more than six. But when he went into Portobella, he left the=20
> excess
> ships behind and took only six ships into the harbor and captured it.=20
> This
> superhuman feat made him a super hero to the British and restored pride i=
n
> their country. If anyone can contribute to this, please do.
>
> Ray
>
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> From: <palmers4@rcn. com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:18 PM
> To: <colonial-coins@ yahoogroups. com>
> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Admiral Vernon medal - need Betts=20
> number
>
>> Part of the problemn with Vernon medals is that as you say they often=20
>> come
>> with "problems" lower grade, enviromental damage, etc. The more problems
>> the harder it is to distinguish between the varieties. Some are one of a
>> kind type, others, there are literally many that look much alike. They=20
>> are
>> an interesting series to collect. David
>>
>>
>> Original Message:
>> ------------ -----
>> From: Ray Williams njraywms@optonline. net
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 07:54:02 -0500
>> To: colonial-coins@ yahoogroups. com
>> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Admiral Vernon medal - need Betts
>> number
>>
>>
>> Steve,
>> The new reference book on Admiral Vernon Medals has been written and I
>> hope will be published in April. With respect to the medal you wanted a
>> Betts number on, I can't read the legends and the Betts book does not=20
>> have
>> images of all the medals. I can't help. There are a LOT of Vernon
>> Medals.
>> I picked up one at the C4 Convention as a type medal. The Vernon Medals
>> usually have planchet/strike/ abuse type damage, but the one I bought is=
a
>> very nice representation!
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --
>> From: "Steve Frank" <taxi_steve929@ yahoo.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:28 AM
>> To: "Colonial Coins" <colonial-coins@ yahoogroups. com>
>> Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Admiral Vernon medal - need Betts number
>>
>>> I don't have Betts...I see it's online, but before I tangle with that, =
I
>>> was wondering if anyone can give me the Betts number for MG76. I found =
a
>>> site that shows a very nice group of the Portobello medals,
>>> http://www.neocolle ct.com/coll/ 136/ and matched the attached to MG76
>> shown
>>> on page 3 of the above link.
>>>
>>> I figure someone here might collect these, and researching this medal
>>> looking through auction catalogs, it seems the Betts number is still th=
e
>>> most used.
>>>
>>> BTW, I read the piece John Adams wrote, pretty much a detailed
>>> bibliography, with ratings for all of the known publications listing
>>> Vernon medal varieties. What Metallic Illustrations wrote about these
>>> medals actually had me laughing with some of the things they said about
>>> the medals in general. John Adams goes on to say, to the affect,
>>> thankfully, the cataloger took the medals more seriously and gave very
>>> detailed descriptions of each....I think at the time there were 96
>>> varieties. (The link to the John Adams work is below. You can see what =
I
>>> referred to by clicking the link and scrolling down to page 5, #4 in th=
e
>>> list of studies done on the Vernon medals.
>>>
>>>
>> http://www.medalcol lectors.org/ Members'%20Corner/The% 20Medals% 20Of%2=
0Admiral
>> %20Vernon.pdf
>>>
>>> I'd appreciate any info, public or private, from the medal people.<s>
>>> Thanks!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>I lightened the MG76 belonging to Goodhe=
art or whatever his name is....the G in MG owns the top coin in the stitch,=
and it was on that link to his collection. My coin, which is a scan, is th=
e bottom coin. I lightened both coins and got them close enough to see they=
are the same...if not, extremely close. I can see spots on mine that are n=
ot struck up on his and vice versa....on the reverse. This is the way the d=
ies were made...this is why the editor of Medalic Illustrations said they w=
ere junk and belonged with childrens toys in the John Adams article I poste=
d. There is no line inside the obverse legend. I'm 99.99% certain this is t=
he same coin. What I want to do is find the corresponding Betts number to t=
he MG number, if one exists. I see that Betts 180 seemed to be close...but =
I don't have betts. I was using the online version and got eye weary. </DIV=
>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I put the sight to the G of MG's photo collection of Admiral Vernon Me=
dals...I think he should know whether or not his coin is MG76 having writte=
n the book. <BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 1/13/10, David Fanning <I><dfanning@c=
olumbus.rr.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5=
px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: David Fanning <dfanning@columbus.rr.com&=
gt;<BR>Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Vernon Medal Picture<BR>To: colo=
nial-coins@yahoogroups.com<BR>Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 8:25 PM<BR=
><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv476921786><SPAN style=3D"DISPLAY: none"> </SPAN>=20
<DIV id=3Dygrp-text>
<DIV>Cool piece, Ray. McC-G 190. The signed ones are especially neat since =
most of them aren't.=20
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>df<BR><BR>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Ray Williams <SPA=
N dir=3Dltr><<A href=3D"http://us.mc844.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dn=
jraywms@optonline.net" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank ymailto=3D"mailto:njr=
aywms@optonline.net">njraywms@optonline. net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid" class=3Dgmail_quote>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff"><SPAN> </SPAN>=20
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>Hi Guys!<BR>Here's the Vernon Medal Pictures.<BR>Ray<BR><BR>----------=
-- --------- --------- --------- --------- --<BR>From: "Ray Williams" <<=
A href=3D"http://us.mc844.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dnjraywms%40optonli=
ne.net" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank ymailto=3D"mailto:njraywms%40optonli=
ne.net">njraywms@optonline. net</A>><BR>Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 201=
0 3:30 PM<BR>To: <<A href=3D"http://us.mc844.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?t=
o=3Dcolonial-coins%40yahoogroups.com" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank ymailt=
o=3D"mailto:colonial-coins%40yahoogroups.com">colonial-coins@ yahoogroups. =
com</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Admiral Vernon medal - n=
eed Betts number<BR><BR>> I was asked for a picture of the medal I have,=
and I took one. But I<BR>> need to wait for Diane to share it with the =
group. It needs to be loaded<BR>> into one computer, then sent to anothe=
r computer, then I have to find it.<BR>> Once found, then I can take ove=
r and put it
in an email. Admiral Vernon<BR>> seems like he was a character! I under=
stand that there was such respect <BR>> for<BR>> him by G Washington =
that he named Mt Vernon after him. Being that a book<BR>> will be out so=
on, it might be appropriate to see if we can get a speaker <BR>> on<BR>&=
gt; Vernon Medals to talk at C4... I know that the number of medal collecto=
rs<BR>> among us is small, but there is a lot of history displayed in th=
em and<BR>> motivating their production. Admiral Vernon was the Schwarzk=
opf of his <BR>> day!<BR>> Just a brief story as I understand it... T=
he Spanish were raiding<BR>> British ships on the high seas (low seas to=
o) and taking supplies & men.<BR>> Admiral Vernon was a bit of a blo=
whard <sp> and bragged to Parliament that<BR>> if they gave him si=
x ships, he would capture Portobella. So he was given<BR>> ships, more t=
han six. But when he went into Portobella, he left the <BR>>
excess<BR>> ships behind and took only six ships into the harbor and ca=
ptured it. <BR>> This<BR>> superhuman feat made him a super hero to t=
he British and restored pride in<BR>> their country. If anyone can contr=
ibute to this, please do.<BR>><BR>> Ray<BR>><BR>> ------------ =
--------- --------- --------- --------- --<BR>> From: <<A href=3D"htt=
p://us.mc844.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dpalmers4%40rcn.com" rel=3Dnofol=
low target=3D_blank ymailto=3D"mailto:palmers4%40rcn.com">palmers4@rcn. com=
</A>><BR>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:18 PM<BR>> To: <=
<A href=3D"http://us.mc844.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dcolonial-coins%40=
yahoogroups.com" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank ymailto=3D"mailto:colonial-=
coins%40yahoogroups.com">colonial-coins@ yahoogroups. com</A>><BR>> S=
ubject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Admiral Vernon medal - need Betts <BR>&g=
t; number<BR>><BR>>> Part of the problemn with Vernon medals is th=
at as you say
they often <BR>>> come<BR>>> with "problems" lower grade, envi=
romental damage, etc. The more problems<BR>>> the harder it is to dis=
tinguish between the varieties. Some are one of a<BR>>> kind type, ot=
hers, there are literally many that look much alike. They <BR>>> are<=
BR>>> an interesting series to collect. David<BR>>><BR>>>=
<BR>>> Original Message:<BR>>> ------------ -----<BR>>> F=
rom: Ray Williams <A href=3D"http://us.mc844.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=
=3Dnjraywms%40optonline.net" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank ymailto=3D"mail=
to:njraywms%40optonline.net">njraywms@optonline. net</A><BR>>> Date: =
Wed, 13 Jan 2010 07:54:02 -0500<BR>>> To: <A href=3D"http://us.mc844.=
mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dcolonial-coins%40yahoogroups.com" rel=3Dnofo=
llow target=3D_blank ymailto=3D"mailto:colonial-coins%40yahoogroups.com">co=
lonial-coins@ yahoogroups. com</A><BR>>> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numis=
matics] Admiral
Vernon medal - need Betts<BR>>> number<BR>>><BR>>><BR>&g=
t;> Steve,<BR>>> The new reference book on Admiral Vernon Medals h=
as been written and I<BR>>> hope will be published in April. With res=
pect to the medal you wanted a<BR>>> Betts number on, I can't read th=
e legends and the Betts book does not <BR>>> have<BR>>> images =
of all the medals. I can't help. There are a LOT of Vernon<BR>>> Meda=
ls.<BR>>> I picked up one at the C4 Convention as a type medal. The V=
ernon Medals<BR>>> usually have planchet/strike/ abuse type damage, b=
ut the one I bought is a<BR>>> very nice representation!<BR>>><=
BR>>> Ray<BR>>><BR>>> ------------ --------- --------- --=
------- --------- --<BR>>> From: "Steve Frank" <<A href=3D"http://=
us.mc844.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dtaxi_steve929%40yahoo.com" rel=3Dno=
follow target=3D_blank
ymailto=3D"mailto:taxi_steve929%40yahoo.com">taxi_steve929@ yahoo.com</A>&=
gt;<BR>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:28 AM<BR>>> To: "=
Colonial Coins" <<A href=3D"http://us.mc844.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=
=3Dcolonial-coins%40yahoogroups.com" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank ymailto=
=3D"mailto:colonial-coins%40yahoogroups.com">colonial-coins@ yahoogroups. c=
om</A>><BR>>> Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Admiral Vernon medal=
- need Betts number<BR>>><BR>>>> I don't have Betts...I see=
it's online, but before I tangle with that, I<BR>>>> was wonderin=
g if anyone can give me the Betts number for MG76. I found a<BR>>>>=
; site that shows a very nice group of the Portobello medals,<BR>>>&g=
t; <A href=3D"http://www.neocollect.com/coll/136/" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D=
_blank>http://www.neocolle ct.com/coll/ 136/</A> and matched the attached t=
o MG76<BR>>> shown<BR>>>> on page 3 of the above
link.<BR>>>><BR>>>> I figure someone here might collect =
these, and researching this medal<BR>>>> looking through auction c=
atalogs, it seems the Betts number is still the<BR>>>> most used.<=
BR>>>><BR>>>> BTW, I read the piece John Adams wrote, pre=
tty much a detailed<BR>>>> bibliography, with ratings for all of t=
he known publications listing<BR>>>> Vernon medal varieties. What =
Metallic Illustrations wrote about these<BR>>>> medals actually ha=
d me laughing with some of the things they said about<BR>>>> the m=
edals in general. John Adams goes on to say, to the affect,<BR>>>>=
thankfully, the cataloger took the medals more seriously and gave very<BR>=
>>> detailed descriptions of each....I think at the time there wer=
e 96<BR>>>> varieties. (The link to the John Adams work is below. =
You can see what I<BR>>>> referred to by clicking the link
and scrolling down to page 5, #4 in the<BR>>>> list of studies do=
ne on the Vernon medals.<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>> <A hre=
f=3D"http://www.medalcollectors.org/Members" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank=
>http://www.medalcol lectors.org/ Members</A>'%20Corner/The% 20Medals% 20Of=
%20Admiral<BR>>> %20Vernon.pdf<BR>>>><BR>>>> I'd ap=
preciate any info, public or private, from the medal people.<s><BR>&g=
t;>> Thanks!!<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>=
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