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From: MICHAEL BRIGGS <michael.briggs9@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] FW: Emailing: H75001DLP Answer to Irish C/S question
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David,=20
Silversmith marks here are generally of the same dimension as Hall marks=C2=
=A0and quite small. About the same size as on the 1749 coin. I know nothing=
of Pewterers=C2=A0marks=C2=A0and=C2=A0defer to 30 years experience<s>
Michael.
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Michael, you may be correct, but I have been studying this field for
approximately 30 years now. Pewterers typically used larger marks than did
silversmith' s and goldsmith's and the medium was typically larger. The
guilds were the controlling factor, and I suspect that they wanted the
pewterer's guild to stand out from the other guilds, and would have been
formed later than the other two guilds.=20
The more common man could not afford silverware of any kind, but pewter was
within reach of many. I have a book of pewterer's marks from the US, and
you would be surprised how large and intricate some of them are. In
addition, there are a few silversmith' s that also worked in pewter, and th=
e
marks are different between the two metals. Same maker, different marks.
David
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From: MICHAEL BRIGGS michael.briggs9@ btinternet. com
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 21:19:26 +0000 (GMT)
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Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] FW: Emailing: H75001DLP Answer to Irish
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David
The countermarks seem a little large to be those=C3=82=C2=A0of=C3=82=C2=A0p=
ewterers or
silversmiths. They would more likely resemble the cmks on this coin.
Michael
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Sent: Saturday, 6 February, 2010 19:31:47
Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] FW: Emailing: H75001DLP Answer to Irish C/S
question
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Paul, Here is the similar C/S to the one your friend has. I have not fullt
researched this one either. Just to let you know, all of the guilds in
England, had to approve marks to be used by pewterers, silversmith' s etc
before they could be used by the makers. It was a form of control over the
industries. David
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From: David L. Palmer dlpalmer@optonline. net
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 14:24:12 -0500
To: palmers4@rcn. com
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thing of Pewterers marks and defer to 30 years experience<=
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<P>Michael, you may be correct, but I have been studying this field for<BR>=
approximately 30 years now. Pewterers typically used larger marks than did<=
BR>silversmith' s and goldsmith's and the medium was typically larger. The<=
BR>guilds were the controlling factor, and I suspect that they wanted the<B=
R>pewterer's guild to stand out from the other guilds, and would have been<=
BR>formed later than the other two guilds. <BR>The more common man could no=
t afford silverware of any kind, but pewter was<BR>within reach of many. I =
have a book of pewterer's marks from the US, and<BR>you would be surprised =
how large and intricate some of them are. In<BR>addition, there are a few s=
ilversmith' s that also worked in pewter, and the<BR>marks are different be=
tween the two metals. Same maker, different marks.<BR>David<BR><BR>Original=
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roups. com</A><BR>Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] FW: Emailing: H75001D=
LP Answer to Irish<BR>C/S question<BR><BR>David<BR><BR>The countermarks see=
m a little large to be those=C3=82 of=C3=82 pewterers or<BR>silve=
rsmiths. They would more likely resemble the cmks on this coin.<BR><BR>Mich=
ael<BR><BR>____________ _________ _________ __<BR>From: "<A href=3D"mailto:=
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C/S<BR>question<BR><BR>=C3=82 <BR>Paul, Here is the similar C/S to t=
he one your friend has. I have not fullt<BR>researched this one either. Jus=
t to let you know, all of the guilds in<BR>England, had to approve marks to=
be used by pewterers, silversmith' s etc<BR>before they could be used by t=
he makers. It was a form of control over the<BR>industries. David<BR><BR>Or=
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