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Michael, absolutely true! My nly problem is that I have the experience in American Pewterers, not British, but I suspect that the same holds true with them, as we were once a part of you, and we tended to copy you in those disciplines, as well as others. David
Original Message: ----------------- From: MICHAEL BRIGGS michael.briggs9@btinternet.com Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 23:51:48 +0000 (GMT) To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] FW: Emailing: H75001DLP Answer to Irish C/S question
David,=20
Silversmith marks here are generally of the same dimension as Hall marks=C2=A0and quite small. About the same size as on the 1749 coin. I know nothing of Pewterers=C2=A0marks=C2=A0and=C2=A0defer to 30 years experience<= s>
Michael.
________________________________ From: "palmers4@rcn.com" <palmers4@rcn.com> To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 6 February, 2010 22:25:44 Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] FW: Emailing: H75001DLP Answer to Irish C/S question
=C2=A0=20 Michael, you may be correct, but I have been studying this field for approximately 30 years now. Pewterers typically used larger marks than did silversmith' s and goldsmith's and the medium was typically larger. The guilds were the controlling factor, and I suspect that they wanted the pewterer's guild to stand out from the other guilds, and would have been formed later than the other two guilds.=20 The more common man could not afford silverware of any kind, but pewter was within reach of many. I have a book of pewterer's marks from the US, and you would be surprised how large and intricate some of them are. In addition, there are a few silversmith' s that also worked in pewter, and th= e marks are different between the two metals. Same maker, different marks. David
Original Message: ------------ ----- From: MICHAEL BRIGGS michael.briggs9@ btinternet. com Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 21:19:26 +0000 (GMT) To: colonial-coins@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] FW: Emailing: H75001DLP Answer to Irish C/S question
David
The countermarks seem a little large to be those=C3=82=C2=A0of=C3=82=C2=A0p= ewterers or silversmiths. They would more likely resemble the cmks on this coin.
Michael
____________ _________ _________ __ From: "palmers4@rcn. com" <palmers4@rcn. com> To: colonial-coins@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Saturday, 6 February, 2010 19:31:47 Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] FW: Emailing: H75001DLP Answer to Irish C/S question
=C3=82=C2=A0=20 Paul, Here is the similar C/S to the one your friend has. I have not fullt researched this one either. Just to let you know, all of the guilds in England, had to approve marks to be used by pewterers, silversmith' s etc before they could be used by the makers. It was a form of control over the industries. David
Original Message: ------------ ----- From: David L. Palmer dlpalmer@optonline. net Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 14:24:12 -0500 To: palmers4@rcn. com Subject: Emailing: H75001DLP
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