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Steve, Craig & All,
Astrology was a lot different in ancient times than it is now. The Mag=
i were from the East and most likely astrologers, because of the customs of=
those religions. The Jewish population had nothing to do with astrology. =
The coin in question has Aries the Ram looking over his shoulder at a star=
in the sky. Aries the Ram was astrologically symbolic of Judea during tha=
t time period. Molnar has a program in his computer that will give you the=
positioning of stars and planets for any longitude and latitude for any da=
te in history. The conjunction of planets (stars to the astrologers) had =
great significance and for this conjunction (crossing of paths) to occur wi=
thin the constellation Aries was a sign that a Great (Heavenly) King was to=
be born in Judea. Now that's the simplified version, but if you have an i=
nterest in either ancient coins or the story of the Magi, take a 1/2 hour t=
onight and read the links I posted shortly ago. Although astrology in a bu=
nch of hooey in my opinion, it was a significant part of a culture in ancie=
nt times and you need to know a little about it to understand the people of=
the time.
Ray

From: Steve Frank=20
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 1:34 AM
To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com=20
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Newton and the counterfeiter....good qu=
estion for Oliver or John Lupia

Thanks Craig!! Actually I thought of you too....just didn't know you =
were into ancients. The astrology would probably turn me off on the book re=
al quick...like nostradomes or whatever his name is....not into old carniva=
l acts....or at least, not when there are so many believing them...I actual=
ly enjoy slight of hand and mind readers etc, knowing there is a trick invo=
lved. I guess so long as they included astrology in a historic respect and =
don't push you to believe it, I wouldn't mind. How's the type?? Large dark =
print?? I really do need that now...should get my eyes checked.

--- On Mon, 2/22/10, CMcdon0923@aol.com <CMcdon0923@aol.com> wrote:

From: CMcdon0923@aol.com <CMcdon0923@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Newton and the counterfeiter...=
.good question for Oliver or John Lupia
To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 12:31 AM

=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20
I have a signed copy of Molnar's book and started to read it when I=
=20
bought it in 2005, but it gets DEEP into astrology, which I persona=
lly=20
see as a complete crock, so I found it difficult to continue. I jus=
t=20
went over and picked it up off the shelf, and will have to try read=
ing=20
it again.

Here's my specimen of one of the coins, dated to ca. 12-14AD.

(I knw Ray has a nice one too, which I have an image of....somewher=
e. )

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Frank <taxi_steve929@ yahoo.com>
To: colonial-coins@ yahoogroups. com; C4online <c4online@egroups. c=
om>;=20
nonregalresearch@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:40 pm
Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Newton and the counterfeiter. ...go=
od=20
question for Oliver or John Lupia

I commented on the review and Charles respnded.... .Is anyone famil=
iar=20
with this book??

Thanks for your comments. There are a lot of details in the book ab=
out=20
the manner in which coins were minted =E2=80=93 legally or otherwis=
e =E2=80=93 in the=20
17th century.
Have you ever read a book by an astronomer named Michael Molnar who=
=20
advances a theory about the identity of the =E2=80=9Cstar of Bethle=
hem=E2=80=9D based=20
on images on ancient coins?

--- On Sun, 2/21/10, Roger Moore <rogermoore435@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Roger Moore <rogermoore435@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: [nonregalresearch] Newton and t=
he=20
counterfeiter book review by non-collector
To: "Colonial Coins" <colonial-coins@ yahoogroups. com>, "C4online"=
=20
<c4online@egroups. com>, nonregalresearch@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 7:46 PM

=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20

I just got the book ythis weekend but have not had a chance to read=
any=20
of it. Roger

Roger A. Moore MD
Immediate Past President,
American Society of Anesthesiologists

Chair Emeritus,
Deborah Heart and Lung Center
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CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message, including any attachments, i=
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you, please immediately notify ASA, delete the message from your=20
computer and destroy any copies.

--- On Sun, 2/21/10, Steve Frank <taxi_steve929@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Steve Frank <taxi_steve929@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [nonregalresearch] Newton and the counterfeiter book revie=
w by=20
non-collector
To: "Colonial Coins" <colonial-coins@ yahoogroups. com>, "C4online"=
=20
<c4online@egroups. com>, "Counterfeits Group" <nonregalresearch@=20
yahoogroups. com>
Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 6:23 PM

=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20

http://charlespaoli no.wordpress. com/
=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20
*** Scroll down past the Mickey Mantle writeup to see what he said=
=20
about the Newton book***
=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20
I was reading the local Sunday paper, and perked up when I got to t=
he=20
book section and saw that Charles Paolino, a regular writer and one=
=20
time editor, had written a review of the Newton book we've been=20
discussing. I don't think he's a coin collector, and after reading =
the=20
review, I think you'll agree, but it is great to have a review from=
=20
someone who DOESN'T collect coins read a book, and thoroughly enjoy=
=20
it!!! Read the review and you'll see what I mean....we actually hav=
e a=20
book we can share with our wives, brothers, sisters, kids, mothers =
and=20
fathers that isn't going to make them yawn and give you the book ba=
ck=20
saying "Thanks but No Thanks"..... looks like a book that can be=20
enjoyed by all!!
=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20
I did respond to this, and mentioned the wide variety of great peop=
le=20
we have in C4, and even hit him with the Doctor, lawyer cabbie,=20
electrician thing...but I did mention that I don't think we have a=
=20
newspaper man....If I can get him to join, I bet he'd be able to gi=
ve=20
some great contributions to our newsletter.. .both as a writer and =
past=20
editor....<s> ...I think that's a long way off, but it's a nice rev=
iew.

=20=20=20=20=20

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Steve, Craig & All,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> <FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Astrology was a lo=
t=20
different in ancient times than it is now. The Magi were from the Eas=
t and=20
most likely astrologers, because of the customs of those religions. T=
he=20
Jewish population had nothing to do with astrology. The coin in quest=
ion=20
has Aries the Ram looking over his shoulder at a star in the sky. Ari=
es=20
the Ram was astrologically symbolic of Judea during that time period. =
=20
Molnar has a program in his computer that will give you the positioning of =
stars=20
and planets for any longitude and latitude for any date in history. T=
he=20
conjunction of planets (stars to the astrologers) had great significa=
nce=20
and for this conjunction (crossing of paths) to occur within the constellat=
ion=20
Aries was a sign that a Great (Heavenly) King was to be born in Judea. =
; Now=20
that's the simplified version, but if you have an interest in either ancien=
t=20
coins or the story of the Magi, take a 1/2 hour tonight and read the links =
I=20
posted shortly ago. Although astrology in a bunch of hooey in my opin=
ion,=20
it was a significant part of a culture in ancient times and you need to kno=
w a=20
little about it to understand the people of the time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ray</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma">
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
title=3D"mailto:taxi_steve929@yahoo.com CTRL + Click to follow link"=20
href=3D"mailto:taxi_steve929@yahoo.com">Steve Frank</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 22, 2010 1:34 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dcolonial-coins@yahoogroups.com=20
href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.c=
om</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Newton and the=20
counterfeiter....good question for Oliver or John Lupia</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD vAlign=3Dtop>Thanks Craig!! Actually I thought of you too....just d=
idn't=20
know you were into ancients. The astrology would probably turn me off=
on=20
the book real quick...like nostradomes or whatever his name is....not=
into=20
old carnival acts....or at least, not when there are so many believin=
g=20
them...I actually enjoy slight of hand and mind readers etc, knowing =
there=20
is a trick involved. I guess so long as they included astrology in a=
=20
historic respect and don't push you to believe it, I wouldn't mind. H=
ow's=20
the type?? Large dark print?? I really do need that now...should get =
my=20
eyes checked.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 2/22/10, CMcdon0923@aol.com=20
<I><CMcdon0923@aol.com></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,=
255) 2px solid"><BR>From:=20
CMcdon0923@aol.com <CMcdon0923@aol.com><BR>Subject: Re: [Colo=
nial=20
Numismatics] Newton and the counterfeiter....good question for Oliv=
er or=20
John Lupia<BR>To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com<BR>Date: Monday,=20
February 22, 2010, 12:31 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv1806748050><SPAN style=3D"DISPLAY: none"> </SPAN>=
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<DIV id=3Dygrp-text>
<DIV>I have a signed copy of Molnar's book and started to read it w=
hen I=20
<BR>bought it in 2005, but it gets DEEP into astrology, which I=20
personally <BR>see as a complete crock, so I found it difficult to=
=20
continue. I just <BR>went over and picked it up off the shelf, and =
will=20
have to try reading <BR>it again.<BR><BR>Here's my specimen of one =
of=20
the coins, dated to ca. 12-14AD.<BR><BR>(I knw Ray has a nice one t=
oo,=20
which I have an image of....somewhere. )<BR><BR>-----Original=20
Message-----<BR>From: Steve Frank <<A=20
href=3D"http://us.mc844.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dtaxi_steve92=
9%40yahoo.com"=20
target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow=20
ymailto=3D"mailto:taxi_steve929%40yahoo.com">taxi_steve929@=20
yahoo.com</A>><BR>To: <A=20
href=3D"http://us.mc844.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dcolonial-coi=
ns%40yahoogroups.com"=20
target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow=20
ymailto=3D"mailto:colonial-coins%40yahoogroups.com">colonial-coins@=
=20
yahoogroups. com</A>; C4online <<A=20
href=3D"http://us.mc844.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dc4online%40e=
groups.com"=20
target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow=20
ymailto=3D"mailto:c4online%40egroups.com">c4online@egroups. com</A>=
>;=20
<BR><A=20
href=3D"http://us.mc844.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dnonregalrese=
arch%40yahoogroups.com"=20
target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow=20
ymailto=3D"mailto:nonregalresearch%40yahoogroups.com">nonregalresea=
rch@=20
yahoogroups. com</A><BR>Sent: Sun, Feb 21, 2010 10:40 pm<BR>Subject=
:=20
[Colonial Numismatics] Newton and the counterfeiter. ...good=20
<BR>question for Oliver or John Lupia<BR><BR>I commented on=20
the review and Charles respnded.... .Is anyone familiar <BR>wi=
th=20
this book??<BR><BR>Thanks for your comments. There are a lot of det=
ails=20
in the book about <BR>the manner in which coins were minted =E2=80=
=93 legally or=20
otherwise =E2=80=93 in the <BR>17th century.<BR>Have you ever read =
a book by an=20
astronomer named Michael Molnar who <BR>advances a theory about the=
=20
identity of the =E2=80=9Cstar of Bethlehem=E2=80=9D based <BR>on im=
ages on ancient=20
coins?<BR><BR>--- On Sun, 2/21/10, Roger Moore <<A=20
href=3D"http://us.mc844.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Drogermoore43=
5%40yahoo.com"=20
target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow=20
ymailto=3D"mailto:rogermoore435%40yahoo.com">rogermoore435@=20
yahoo.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR>From: Roger Moore <<A=20
href=3D"http://us.mc844.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Drogermoore43=
5%40yahoo.com"=20
target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow=20
ymailto=3D"mailto:rogermoore435%40yahoo.com">rogermoore435@=20
yahoo.com</A>><BR>Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re:=20
[nonregalresearch] Newton and the <BR>counterfeiter book review by=
=20
non-collector<BR>To: "Colonial Coins" <<A=20
href=3D"http://us.mc844.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dcolonial-coi=
ns%40yahoogroups.com"=20
target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow=20
ymailto=3D"mailto:colonial-coins%40yahoogroups.com">colonial-coins@=
=20
yahoogroups. com</A>>, "C4online" <BR><<A=20
href=3D"http://us.mc844.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dc4online%40e=
groups.com"=20
target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow=20
ymailto=3D"mailto:c4online%40egroups.com">c4online@egroups. com</A>=
>,=20
<A=20
href=3D"http://us.mc844.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dnonregalrese=
arch%40yahoogroups.com"=20
target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow=20
ymailto=3D"mailto:nonregalresearch%40yahoogroups.com">nonregalresea=
rch@=20
yahoogroups. com</A><BR>Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 7:46=20
PM<BR><BR> <BR><BR>I just got the book ythis weekend but have =
not=20
had a chance to read any <BR>of it. Roger<BR><BR>Roger =
A.=20
Moore MD<BR>Immediate Past President,<BR>American Society of=20
Anesthesiologists<BR><BR>Chair Emeritus,<BR>Deborah Heart and Lung=
=20
Center<BR> <BR>CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message,=20
including any attachments, is <BR>solely for the use of the intende=
d=20
recipient(s) named above and may be <BR>privileged, protected or=20
confidential information. Do not disclose, <BR>distribute or=
=20
otherwise use any part of this message without permission <BR>from =
ASA=20
legal counsel. If you are not the intended recipient or you <BR>rec=
eived=20
this email from someone who was not authorized to send it to <BR>yo=
u,=20
please immediately notify ASA, delete the message from your <BR>com=
puter=20
and destroy any copies.<BR><BR>--- On Sun, 2/21/10, Steve Frank=20
<taxi_steve929@ yahoo.com> wrote:<BR><BR>From: Steve Frank=20
<taxi_steve929@ yahoo.com><BR>Subject: [nonregalresearch] New=
ton=20
and the counterfeiter book review by <BR>non-collector<BR>To: "Colo=
nial=20
Coins" <colonial-coins@ yahoogroups. com>, "C4online"=20
<BR><c4online@egroups. com>, "Counterfeits Group"=20
<nonregalresearch@ <BR>yahoogroups. com><BR>Date: Sunday, Feb=
ruary=20
21, 2010, 6:23 PM<BR><BR> <BR><BR><A href=3D"http://charlespao=
li/"=20
target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://charlespaoli</A> no.wordpress=
.=20
com/<BR> <BR>*** Scroll down past the Mickey Mantle writeup to=
see=20
what he said <BR>about the Newton book***<BR> <BR>I was readin=
g the=20
local Sunday paper, and perked up when I got to the <BR>book sectio=
n and=20
saw that Charles Paolino, a regular writer and one <BR>time editor,=
had=20
written a review of the Newton book we've been <BR>discussing. I do=
n't=20
think he's a coin collector, and after reading the <BR>review, I th=
ink=20
you'll agree, but it is great to have a review from <BR>someone who=
=20
DOESN'T collect coins read a book, and thoroughly enjoy <BR>it!!! R=
ead=20
the review and you'll see what I mean....we actually have a <BR>boo=
k we=20
can share with our wives, brothers, sisters, kids, mothers and=20
<BR>fathers that isn't going to make them yawn and give you the boo=
k=20
back <BR>saying "Thanks but No Thanks"..... looks like a book that =
can=20
be <BR>enjoyed by all!!<BR> <BR>I did respond to this, and=20
mentioned the wide variety of great people <BR>we have in C4, and e=
ven=20
hit him with the Doctor, lawyer cabbie, <BR>electrician thing...but=
I=20
did mention that I don't think we have a <BR>newspaper man....If I =
can=20
get him to join, I bet he'd be able to give <BR>some great=20
contributions to our newsletter.. .both as a writer and past=20
<BR>editor....<s> ...I think that's a long way off, but it's =
a=20
nice review.<BR><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR></TBOD=
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