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From: Steve Frank <taxi_steve929@yahoo.com>
Subject: Fw: Re: [englishhammered] Henry II Tealby type copy - Modern struck from dies
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--- On Fri, 10/29/10, Steve Frank <taxi_steve929@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Steve Frank <taxi_steve929@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [englishhammered] Henry II Tealby type copy - Modern struck fr=
om dies
To: englishhammered@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 29, 2010, 8:47 AM
I found the website. I don't think it's maintained in years, but you can ch=
eck out all of the links to see basically what was done back then. I'm not =
sure who maintained this, but obviously someone he either got over on in a =
deal, or one of the many people he fought with on the group. The second lin=
k is to a "Unique" scotish token he sold on ebay, which I am 100% positive =
was made not long before the sale. The 3rd link is to the coinsfacts websit=
e, began by Ron Guth, and since sold to PCGS, but if you just click close o=
n the pop up you can see the old non-maintained portion of the site showing=
some of his work.
=C2=A0
Now on ebay selling under the name 79-ee which is a contemporary counterfei=
t NJ copper variety if anyone was wondering. (Maris 79-ee...obv 79 rev ee)
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http://www.be9.net/michigan/
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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=3Dcache:NtwbtI8NPSQJ:www.be9=
.net/michigan/3034573875.htm+%22mario+byrge%22&cd=3D4&hl=3Den&ct=3Dclnk&gl=
=3Dus
=C2=A0
http://www.coinfacts.com/colonial_coins/new_jersey_coppers/new_jersey_coppe=
rs.htm
--- On Fri, 10/29/10, chris brewchorne <oldclaypaws@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
From: chris brewchorne <oldclaypaws@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [englishhammered] Henry II Tealby type copy - Modern struck fr=
om dies
To: englishhammered@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 29, 2010, 7:52 AM
=C2=A0=20
If your report is correct Steve, this is worrying . The photo you posted is=
very convincing. Its quite an appealing coin and if indeed a forgery would=
fool many.=20
Any information on this character would be very welcome, with a link to his=
website, or there is a risk some group members will be stung.=20
Chris=20
--- On Fri, 29/10/10, Steve Frank <taxi_steve929@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Steve Frank <taxi_steve929@yahoo.com>
Subject: [englishhammered] Henry II Tealby type copy - Modern struck from d=
ies
To: "English Hammered" <englishhammered@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, 29 October, 2010, 11:18
=C2=A0
I uploaded a large photo of this to the photos section, Hammered Forgeries =
- Old and New - and at the request of the group owner can change the size t=
o save space....instead of 1000 pix in height, maybe 400? I don't know if s=
pace allows, but it would be nice to maintain a single file to hold forgeri=
es, modern, contemporary to time of issue, and everything in between. I'm n=
ot sure if the allocated space allows this. I purchased this on impulse, no=
t knowing what it was....I just liked it. After showing it to a member, I w=
as told that the obverse looks good, but the reverse wasn't right. The 3 po=
ssibilities were 1-New variety, 2-Contemporary counterfeit, and 3-Modern co=
ncoction. After questioning the seller, and finding it where it came from, =
I have no doubt it is 3-Modern concoction. 79-ee, the ebay seller, who I di=
d not buy this from, but I have mentioned here in past emails as having bee=
n caught creating new American colonial varieties, later moved
on to
selling paintings, and now has settled nicely into hammered coinage. I own =
a booklet he wrote on forgeries, and grammatically it is on a 2nd grade lev=
el. (this coming from someone who is on a 7th grade level as far as writing=
abilities) He does, however, have a knack for making dies, or knows someon=
e who makes them for him. He is located in Detroit, and Canada is not far, =
and I suspect he has dies made there. There is a website dedicated to his f=
akes, and I'll try and get it to post here....I forget who created it, but =
it's a fun site to read. CoinFacts even lists some of his fakes, I believe =
at the beginning of the American colonials section, or in the New Jersey se=
ction as a warning. I do notice that he hasn't been selling his coins as di=
scovery pieces anymore, so that is a plus, but old habits die hard, and I s=
uspect that in private, he may attempt to do this to unsuspecting collector=
s who are not quite expert, but do have enough understanding of
English Hammered coinage to see that what he is selling, if genuine, is a g=
reat rarity. Although tempted to put his name here, I don't believe this is=
the proper forum, and I wouldn't want to be sued for libel and lose my $50=
0 worth of coins in the suit. He also has a couple of know aliases that wer=
e used a few years ago.=20
=C2=A0
I went a little further than I should have with this. The purpose was simpl=
y to have a place for people to showcase unusual forgeries, and have member=
s comment on them.=20
=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Steve Frank
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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><BR><BR>--- On <B>Fri, 10/29/10, Steve Frank =
<I><taxi_steve929@yahoo.com></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5=
px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: Steve Frank <taxi_steve929@yahoo.com>=
<BR>Subject: Re: [englishhammered] Henry II Tealby type copy - Modern struc=
k from dies<BR>To: englishhammered@yahoogroups.com<BR>Date: Friday, October=
29, 2010, 8:47 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv106305157>
<TABLE border=3D0 cellSpacing=3D0 cellPadding=3D0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop>
<DIV>I found the website. I don't think it's maintained in years, but you c=
an check out all of the links to see basically what was done back then. I'm=
not sure who maintained this, but obviously someone he either got over on =
in a deal, or one of the many people he fought with on the group. The secon=
d link is to a "Unique" scotish token he sold on ebay, which I am 100% posi=
tive was made not long before the sale. The 3rd link is to the coinsfacts w=
ebsite, began by Ron Guth, and since sold to PCGS, but if you just click cl=
ose on the pop up you can see the old non-maintained portion of the site sh=
owing some of his work.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Now on ebay selling under the name 79-ee which is a contemporary count=
erfeit NJ copper variety if anyone was wondering. (Maris 79-ee...obv 79 rev=
ee)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><A href=3D"http://www.be9.net/michigan/" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blan=
k>http://www.be9.net/michigan/</A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><A href=3D"http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=3Dcache:Ntwb=
tI8NPSQJ:www.be9.net/michigan/3034573875.htm+%22mario+byrge%22&cd=3D4&a=
mp;hl=3Den&ct=3Dclnk&gl=3Dus" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank>http:/=
/webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=3Dcache:NtwbtI8NPSQJ:www.be9.net/m=
ichigan/3034573875.htm+%22mario+byrge%22&cd=3D4&hl=3Den&ct=3Dcl=
nk&gl=3Dus</A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><A href=3D"http://www.coinfacts.com/colonial_coins/new_jersey_coppers/=
new_jersey_coppers.htm" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank>http://www.coinfacts=
.com/colonial_coins/new_jersey_coppers/new_jersey_coppers.htm</A><BR><BR>--=
- On <B>Fri, 10/29/10, chris brewchorne <I><oldclaypaws@yahoo.co.uk><=
/I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5=
px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: chris brewchorne <oldclaypaws@yahoo.co.u=
k><BR>Subject: Re: [englishhammered] Henry II Tealby type copy - Modern =
struck from dies<BR>To: englishhammered@yahoogroups.com<BR>Date: Friday, Oc=
tober 29, 2010, 7:52 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv106305157yiv1013626053><SPAN style=3D"DISPLAY: none"> </S=
PAN>
<DIV id=3Dyiv106305157yiv1013626053ygrp-text>
<DIV>If your report is correct Steve, this is worrying . The photo you post=
ed is very convincing. Its quite an appealing coin and if indeed a forgery =
would fool many. <BR><BR>Any information on this character would be very we=
lcome, with a link to his website, or there is a risk some group members wi=
ll be stung. <BR><BR>Chris <BR><BR>--- On Fri, 29/10/10, Steve Frank <<A=
href=3D"http://us.mc844.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dtaxi_steve929%40yah=
oo.com" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank>taxi_steve929@yahoo.com</A>> wrot=
e:<BR><BR>From: Steve Frank <<A href=3D"http://us.mc844.mail.yahoo.com/m=
c/compose?to=3Dtaxi_steve929%40yahoo.com" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank>ta=
xi_steve929@yahoo.com</A>><BR>Subject: [englishhammered] Henry II Tealby=
type copy - Modern struck from dies<BR>To: "English Hammered" <<A href=
=3D"http://us.mc844.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Denglishhammered%40yahoog=
roups.com" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank>englishhammered@yahoogroups.com</=
A>><BR>Date:
Friday, 29 October, 2010, 11:18<BR><BR> <BR><BR>I uploaded a large ph=
oto of this to the photos section, Hammered Forgeries - Old and New - and a=
t the request of the group owner can change the size to save space....inste=
ad of 1000 pix in height, maybe 400? I don't know if space allows, but it w=
ould be nice to maintain a single file to hold forgeries, modern, contempor=
ary to time of issue, and everything in between. I'm not sure if the alloca=
ted space allows this. I purchased this on impulse, not knowing what it was=
....I just liked it. After showing it to a member, I was told that the obve=
rse looks good, but the reverse wasn't right. The 3 possibilities were 1-Ne=
w variety, 2-Contemporary counterfeit, and 3-Modern concoction. After quest=
ioning the seller, and finding it where it came from, I have no doubt it is=
3-Modern concoction. 79-ee, the ebay seller, who I did not buy this from, =
but I have mentioned here in past emails as having been caught
creating new American colonial varieties, later moved<BR>on to<BR><BR>sell=
ing paintings, and now has settled nicely into hammered coinage. I own a bo=
oklet he wrote on forgeries, and grammatically it is on a 2nd grade level. =
(this coming from someone who is on a 7th grade level as far as writing abi=
lities) He does, however, have a knack for making dies, or knows someone wh=
o makes them for him. He is located in Detroit, and Canada is not far, and =
I suspect he has dies made there. There is a website dedicated to his fakes=
, and I'll try and get it to post here....I forget who created it, but it's=
a fun site to read. CoinFacts even lists some of his fakes, I believe at t=
he beginning of the American colonials section, or in the New Jersey sectio=
n as a warning. I do notice that he hasn't been selling his coins as discov=
ery pieces anymore, so that is a plus, but old habits die hard, and I suspe=
ct that in private, he may attempt to do this to unsuspecting
collectors who are not quite expert, but do have enough understanding of<B=
R><BR>English Hammered coinage to see that what he is selling, if genuine, =
is a great rarity. Although tempted to put his name here, I don't believe t=
his is the proper forum, and I wouldn't want to be sued for libel and lose =
my $500 worth of coins in the suit. He also has a couple of know aliases th=
at were used a few years ago. <BR><BR> <BR><BR>I went a little further=
than I should have with this. The purpose was simply to have a place for p=
eople to showcase unusual forgeries, and have members comment on them. <BR>=
<BR> <BR><BR> Steve Fr=
ank<BR><BR> <BR><BR> <BR><BR>[Non-text portions of this message h=
ave been removed]<BR><BR>[Non-text portions of this message have been remov=
ed]<BR><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV><=
/BLOCKQUOTE></td></tr></table>
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