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    From: Steve Frank <taxi_steve929@yahoo.com>
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    I couldn't find my book and was working with a bad photo. The photo I took =
    isn't very good either. (As a matter of fact it stinks!!) But it is not a n=
    ew variety. Was surprised to get it anyway since I don't collect the 2 real=
    es. It's extremely nice in hand. I bought it for the combo of strike and co=
    unterfeit. It has a 315 die rotaion and the coin was multi struck, with the=
    P of HISPAN showing in 2 places, marked 1 and 2 in red on the obverse phot=
    o. Assuming nickel, with a pleasant gray, but with brassy highlights where =
    some light rub occured. My only Kleeberg variety and it's a pretty cool one=
    !!!
    =C2=A0
    =C2=A0
    --- On Wed, 1/26/11, Steve Frank <taxi_steve929@yahoo.com> wrote:


    From: Steve Frank <taxi_steve929@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: [Span-Am-coins] Die Rotation question
    To: Span-Am-coins@yahoogroups.com
    Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 3:09 PM


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    I drove a cab for 14 years and have had plenty of times I made a right turn=
    onto a major road, a quick left, hung a U turn, came back and made another=
    right. I did this because the lights are often timed so that when the para=
    de stops in one direction, it starts in the other, and never ends. I can ju=
    st move the car out and block traffic until I get a chance, or do what I di=
    d, which is kind to the people in back of me as well as those I would have =
    blocked on the busier road. Going from my house to Main street, I always ma=
    ke a right....if I want to make a left, I go further west. When I get someo=
    ne making a left in front of me where I said I never do, I usually just yel=
    l an obscenity because I know I'm stuck there for 5 to 10 minutes.=20

    --- On Wed, 1/26/11, CMcdon0923@aol.com <CMcdon0923@aol.com> wrote:


    From: CMcdon0923@aol.com <CMcdon0923@aol.com>
    Subject: Re: [Span-Am-coins] Die Rotation question
    To: Span-Am-coins@yahoogroups.com
    Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 2:10 PM


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    Laugh not....
    =C2=A0
    I have a relative who lives in Phoenix...a Great-Aunt through marriage.=C2=
    =A0 She's in he late 80s, maybe even 90, but is still independent.
    =C2=A0
    But, she will not make left turns when she drives.=C2=A0 She will plan her =
    route accordingly to only turn right.=C2=A0 I have no idea how she does it,=
    but by now I assume she's got just about every route she takes, planned ou=
    t using only right turns.
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    -----Original Message-----
    From: dlpalmer@optonline.net <dlpalmer@optonline.net>
    To: Span-Am-coins@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Wed, Jan 26, 2011 12:21 pm
    Subject: RE: [Span-Am-coins] Die Rotation question


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    Steve, compass degrees are always expressed in positive numbers, therefor
    315 degrees would be correct, no? Not wanting to say anything over 180 deg.
    is like me saying I will never make a left turn again because I am a
    conservative<S> David

    Original Message:
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    From: Steve Frank taxi_steve929@yahoo.com
    Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 09:29:26 -0800 (PST)
    To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, Span-Am-coins@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [Span-Am-coins] Die Rotation question

    I have a 2 reales where the coin is rotated 315 degrees clockwise=C2=A0from=
    obv
    to rev. How do we express this? I've seen it as a negative, (-45 degrees)
    and with text, (45 degrees counter-clockwise), these being used often by
    people who don't like to exceed 180 degrees. There's a reason I'm cc'ing
    the Span-Am group....thanks!!

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    <table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
    top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>I couldn't find my book and was working =
    with a bad photo. The photo I took isn't very good either. (As a matter of =
    fact it stinks!!) But it is not a new variety. Was surprised to get it anyw=
    ay since I don't collect the 2 reales. It's extremely nice in hand. I bough=
    t it for the combo of strike and counterfeit. It has a 315 die rotaion and =
    the coin was multi struck, with the P of HISPAN showing in 2 places, marked=
    1 and 2 in red on the obverse photo. Assuming nickel, with a pleasant gray=
    , but with brassy highlights where some light rub occured. My only Kleeberg=
    variety and it's a pretty cool one!!!</DIV>
    <DIV> </DIV>
    <DIV> </DIV>
    <DIV>--- On <B>Wed, 1/26/11, Steve Frank <I><taxi_steve929@yahoo.com>=
    </I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5=
    px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: Steve Frank <taxi_steve929@yahoo.com>=
    <BR>Subject: Re: [Span-Am-coins] Die Rotation question<BR>To: Span-Am-coins=
    @yahoogroups.com<BR>Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 3:09 PM<BR><BR>
    <DIV id=3Dyiv712872076><SPAN style=3D"DISPLAY: none"> </SPAN>=20
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    <TR>
    <TD vAlign=3Dtop>I drove a cab for 14 years and have had plenty of times I =
    made a right turn onto a major road, a quick left, hung a U turn, came back=
    and made another right. I did this because the lights are often timed so t=
    hat when the parade stops in one direction, it starts in the other, and nev=
    er ends. I can just move the car out and block traffic until I get a chance=
    , or do what I did, which is kind to the people in back of me as well as th=
    ose I would have blocked on the busier road. Going from my house to Main st=
    reet, I always make a right....if I want to make a left, I go further west.=
    When I get someone making a left in front of me where I said I never do, I=
    usually just yell an obscenity because I know I'm stuck there for 5 to 10 =
    minutes. <BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 1/26/11, CMcdon0923@aol.com <I><CMcdon09=
    23@aol.com></I></B> wrote:<BR>
    <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: CMcdo=
    n0923@aol.com <CMcdon0923@aol.com><BR>Subject: Re: [Span-Am-coins] Di=
    e Rotation question<BR>To: Span-Am-coins@yahoogroups.com<BR>Date: Wednesday=
    , January 26, 2011, 2:10 PM<BR><BR>
    <DIV id=3Dyiv712872076yiv603521551><SPAN> </SPAN>=20
    <DIV id=3Dyiv712872076yiv603521551ygrp-text>
    <DIV><FONT color=3Dblack size=3D2 face=3Darial>
    <DIV>Laugh not....</DIV>
    <DIV> </DIV>
    <DIV>I have a relative who lives in Phoenix...a Great-Aunt through marriage=
    .  She's in he late 80s, maybe even 90, but is still independent.</DIV=
    >
    <DIV> </DIV>
    <DIV>But, <STRONG>she will not make left turns</STRONG> when she drives.&nb=
    sp; She will plan her route accordingly to only turn right.  I have no=
    idea how she does it, but by now I assume she's got just about every route=
    she takes, planned out using only right turns.</DIV>
    <DIV> </DIV>
    <DIV> </DIV>
    <DIV> </DIV>
    <DIV><BR><BR> </DIV>
    <DIV></DIV><BR><BR>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"=
    >-----Original Message-----<BR>From: dlpalmer@optonline.net <dlpalmer@op=
    tonline.net><BR>To: Span-Am-coins@yahoogroups.com<BR>Sent: Wed, Jan 26, =
    2011 12:21 pm<BR>Subject: RE: [Span-Am-coins] Die Rotation question<BR><BR>
    <DIV id=3Dyiv712872076yiv603521551AOLMsgPart_2_db808903-fe50-4909-9a32-5c68=
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    <DIV id=3Dyiv712872076yiv603521551ygrp-msg>
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    <DIV>Steve, compass degrees are always expressed in positive numbers, there=
    for<BR>315 degrees would be correct, no? Not wanting to say anything over 1=
    80 deg.<BR>is like me saying I will never make a left turn again because I =
    am a<BR>conservative<S> David<BR><BR>Original Message:<BR>-----------=
    ------<BR>From: Steve Frank <A href=3D"http://us.mc844.mail.yahoo.com/mc/co=
    mpose?to=3Dtaxi_steve929%40yahoo.com" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank>taxi_s=
    teve929@yahoo.com</A><BR>Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 09:29:26 -0800 (PST)<BR>To:=
    <A href=3D"http://us.mc844.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dcolonial-coins%4=
    0yahoogroups.com" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank>colonial-coins@yahoogroups=
    .com</A>, <A href=3D"http://us.mc844.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3DSpan-Am=
    -coins%40yahoogroups.com" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank>Span-Am-coins@yaho=
    ogroups.com</A><BR>Subject: [Span-Am-coins] Die Rotation question<BR><BR>I =
    have a 2 reales where the coin is rotated 315 degrees clockwise from o=
    bv<BR>to rev. How
    do we express this? I've seen it as a negative, (-45 degrees)<BR>and with =
    text, (45 degrees counter-clockwise), these being used often by<BR>people w=
    ho don't like to exceed 180 degrees. There's a reason I'm cc'ing<BR>the Spa=
    n-Am group....thanks!!<BR><BR>---------------------------------------------=
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