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From: Ray Williams <njraywms@optonline.net>
Subject: A closer inspection might be warranted...
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Hi Guys,
I was thinking about JPL's "Wood's Hibernia Die Hub Matrix" which was discussed here a few weeks back. I was thinking about the very unlikelihood that something like this existed in the 1720s. I was thinking that if such an animal existed, it would be perfectly centered, and John's lead impression was considerable off center, making me believe that the lead impression was that of an off center Wood's Hibernia Coin. I doubt that XRF testing and Microstructure analysis can prove anything different. Most commenting agreed with where that thread was going.
With that being said, it came to mind that there exists a silver square with the impression of a Maris C reverse. This reverse has been touted as one of the most skillfully made dies, it has been called The Pattern C Reverse. I doubt anyone will disagree with the quality of the engraving of the Maris C reverse.
I tried to place the logic used in analyzing John's lead impression of a coin, to this silver block with the NJ impression. The first obvious difference is that the lead impression of a Wood's coin is mirror image - what you would expect to see if you pressed a coin into clay. The image on the silver piece is not mirror image - it looks like a coin's image with all legend reading correctly. This would indicate that a die was used to strike the silver block.
Silver Maris "C" Reverse
The above image above is the only one I have, from an auction catalog. If you look at the denticles, they appear vividly along the edge of the upper half of the impression. If you look at the lower half, the denticles are either weak or non-existent. This could be lighting, but I don't think so. A quality made die would have nice denticles all the way around the die, and the C Reverse does!
If you look at the above C reverse, you see that it is struck slightly off center to the North, but there are clearly denticles on the bottom half of the die.
Hypothesis: The silver block was struck by a die or negative impression of some sort. This die was made from an off center Maris C reverse. The purpose for doing so? Who knows? It could have been made by a jeweler as a paperweight for a politician or business man... Some apprentice silversmith could have done this in the learning process. Idle hands in a jewelry store? Who Knows???
THE SHADOW KNOWS!
But if this silver block was struck by the real NJ Die, I would expect to see denticles fully around the image. Maybe JPL could do an XRF test on the silver and give us a good image to study. Nothing definitive can be concluded from the poor image - but it makes one think...
Dwell on this for the weekend,
and Have FUN!!!
Ray
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Hi Guys,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> <FONT size=2 face=Arial>I was thinking about JPL's
"Wood's Hibernia <EM>Die Hub Matrix</EM>" which was discussed here a few weeks
back. I was thinking about the very unlikelihood that something like this
existed in the 1720s. I was thinking that if such an animal existed, it
would be perfectly centered, and John's lead impression was considerable off
center, making me believe that the lead impression was that of an off center
Wood's Hibernia Coin. I doubt that XRF testing and Microstructure analysis
can prove anything different. Most commenting agreed with where that
thread was going.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV> <FONT size=2 face=Arial>With that being said, it
came to mind that there exists a silver square with the impression of a Maris C
reverse. This reverse has been touted as one of the most skillfully made
dies, it has been called The Pattern C Reverse. I doubt anyone will
disagree with the quality of the engraving of the Maris C reverse.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> <FONT size=2 face=Arial>I tried to place the logic
used in analyzing John's lead impression of a coin, to this silver block with
the NJ impression. The first obvious difference is that the lead
impression of a Wood's coin is mirror image - what you would expect to see if
you pressed a coin into clay. The image on the silver piece is not mirror
image - it looks like a coin's image with all legend reading correctly.
This would indicate that a die was used to strike the silver block.
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<DIV> <FONT size=2 face=Arial>The above image above
is the only one I have, from an auction catalog. If you look at the
denticles, they appear vividly along the edge of the upper half of the
impression. If you look at the lower half, the denticles are either weak
or non-existent. This could be lighting, but I don't think so. A
quality made die would have nice denticles <U>all the way around the die</U>,
and the C Reverse does!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
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size=2 face=Arial>If you look at the above C reverse, you see that it is struck
slightly off center to the North, but there are clearly denticles on the bottom
half of the die.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN
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size=2 face=Arial>Hypothesis: The silver block was struck by a die or
negative impression of some sort. This die was made from an off center
Maris C reverse. The purpose for doing so? Who knows? It could
have been made by a jeweler as a paperweight for a politician or business
man... Some apprentice silversmith could have done this in the learning
process. Idle hands in a jewelry store? Who Knows???
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN
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size=2 face=Arial>But if this silver block was struck by the real NJ Die, I
would expect to see denticles fully around the image. Maybe JPL could do
an XRF test on the silver and give us a good image to study. Nothing
definitive can be concluded from the poor image - but it makes one
think...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN
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size=2 face=Arial>Dwell on this for the weekend,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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