[Colonial Numismatics] Wood 23 Blackmsith Sub-Varieties

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Todd,

I'd suggest checking with Karl Moulton or Charlie Davis. They both have sig=
nificant inventory of modern catalogs. Fred Lake also sells a lot of items =
like this in his auctions.
Numismalink -- Numismatic Books<http://www.google.com/url?q=3Dhttp://www.nu=
mismalink.com/books.html&sa=3DU&ei=3D-NFpT9OvDsnHsQKdwuSrCQ&ved=3D0CBwQFjAD=
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half of todd gredesky [njtodd7@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 8:44 AM
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Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood 23 Blackmsith Sub-Varieties

I'd be interested in purchasing the Fall 1989 Torex sale catalog by Jeffrey=
Hoare if someone
has one to sell.

From: David Fanning <fanning32@gmail.com>
To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood 23 Blackmsith Sub-Varieties

Sorry for the late contribution on this, but I don't think anybody mentione=
d it. The Fall 1989 Torex sale catalogue by Jeffrey Hoare included the coll=
ection of blacksmith tokens assembled by Ernest Everingham, catalogued by W=
arren Baker. Baker and Everingham wrote an article included in the sale cat=
alogue outlining the die states of this variety. It was based on their comb=
ined collections, which included 220 specimens of Wood-23. It is, to the b=
est of my knowledge, the most thorough examination of the topic published.

David Fanning

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David F. Fanning

Kolbe & Fanning Numismatic Booksellers LLC
141 W. Johnstown Rd.
Gahanna, OH 43230
(614) 414-0855
Fax (614) 414-0860
Cell (614) 256-8915
www.numislit.com<http://www.numislit.com/>

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 8:32 AM, colonialjohn <johnmenc@optonline.net<mailto=
:johnmenc@optonline.net>> wrote:

No real time for an effective response but just off the top of my head ... =
we first heard of the different sub-varieities back in 1987 with the Baker =
Sale (B&M Taylor). Then for the first time at auction with the Ernie Everin=
gham Collection we actually see for the first time individual lots of the e=
arly to late state die varieities. Never really tracked it ... in the begin=
ning it was SIX? ... then currently EIGHT? ... could be TEN?. The very earl=
y and late die states very rare and mid-states more common. Its an unusual =
piece in that we always see that large die break along the left side of the=
obverse and yet it was struck this way to probably being the second most c=
ommon variety? to Wood 11. Its close Jeff <BG>. See a represenative example=
here:

http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/ColCoinImages/Blacksmith/Wood-23-early.obv.=
jpg

Yes - incredible coin by the way ... this coin, the Jimmy King/JPL W23 and =
the W23 AU Everingham are the top three W23 Blackmsiths in existence ... fr=
om my data.

There is a wealth of information on Blackmsith Tokens that Jim Spilman help=
me create awhile back. Subscribe here:

BlacksmithTokens-subscribe@yahoogroups.com<mailto:BlacksmithTokens-subscrib=
e%40yahoogroups.com>

I have done an XRF Study on these pieces for the William Anton 20th Anniver=
sary Forgotten Coins Book.

JPL

--- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com<mailto:colonial-coins%40yahoogroups.c=
om>, todd gredesky <njtodd7@...> wrote:
>
> Gord,
> =C2
> =C2 Any chance of you posting that breakdown of the different Wood 23 var=
ieties on your website?
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Gord Nichols <gnichols@...>
> To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com<mailto:colonial-coins%40yahoogroups.co=
m>
> Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 8:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Blacksmith Token
>
>
> =C2
> Good one Calvin. A nice Wood 23. One of the commoner varieties but is bro=
ken into close to=C2 a dozen varieties itself.
> Gord
> ----- Original Message -----
> >From: C.G.
> >To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com<mailto:colonial-coins%40yahoogroups.c=
om>
> >Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 8:37 PM
> >Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Blacksmith Token
> >
> >=C2
> >Here's my 4 Dollar! purchase from a Midwest dealer..labeled as a
> >"Canadian Blacksmith Token"...not sure if that, or, even belongs with
> >Colonials...you folks will know...is that a Cud at 6:30 O'Clock, with
> >a die crack running to 1030:O'Clock? Interesting Copper Coin..I don't
> >know die axis rotation on these, but, it is off about 20 degrees CC.
> >GCG
> >
>

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<div>I'd suggest checking with Karl Moulton or Charlie Davis. They both hav=
e significant inventory of modern catalogs. Fred Lake also sells a lot of i=
tems like this in his auctions.</div>
<div><a href=3D"http://www.google.com/url?q=3Dhttp://www.numismalink.com/bo=
oks.html&sa=3DU&ei=3D-NFpT9OvDsnHsQKdwuSrCQ&ved=3D0CBwQFjAD&=
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<div><span><var id=3D"yui-ie-cursor"></var>I'd be interested in purchasing =
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<div>Sorry for the late contribution on this, but I don't think anybody men=
tioned it. The Fall 1989 Torex sale catalogue by Jeffrey Hoare included the=
collection of blacksmith tokens assembled by Ernest Everingham, catalogued=
by Warren Baker. Baker and Everingham
wrote an article included in the sale catalogue outlining the die states o=
f this variety. It was based on their combined collections, which included =
220 specimens of Wood-23. It is, to the best of my knowledge, the mos=
t thorough examination of the topic published.
<br>
<br>
David Fanning<br>
<br>
<br>
-- <br>
David F. Fanning<br>
<br>
Kolbe & Fanning Numismatic Booksellers LLC<br>
141 W. Johnstown Rd.<br>
Gahanna, OH 43230<br>
(614) 414-0855<br>
Fax (614) 414-0860<br>
Cell (614) 256-8915<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.numislit.com/" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">www=
.numislit.com</a><br>
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<div class=3D"yiv1454132590gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 8:32 AM, col=
onialjohn
<span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:johnmenc@optonline.net" rel=3D"nofo=
llow" target=3D"_blank">johnmenc@optonline.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"yiv1454132590gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left:#ccc 1p=
x solid"><u></u>
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<div>No real time for an effective response but just off the top of my head=
... we first heard of the different sub-varieities back in 1987 with the B=
aker Sale (B&M Taylor). Then for the first time at auction with the Ern=
ie Everingham Collection we actually
see for the first time individual lots of the early to late state die vari=
eities. Never really tracked it ... in the beginning it was SIX? ... then c=
urrently EIGHT? ... could be TEN?. The very early and late die states very =
rare and mid-states more common.
Its an unusual piece in that we always see that large die break along the =
left side of the obverse and yet it was struck this way to probably being t=
he second most common variety? to Wood 11. Its close Jeff <BG>. See a=
represenative example here:<br>
<br>
http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/ColCoinImages/Blacksmith/Wood-23-early.obv.=
jpg<br>
<br>
Yes - incredible coin by the way ... this coin, the Jimmy King/JPL W23 and =
the W23 AU Everingham are the top three W23 Blackmsiths in existence ... fr=
om my data.
<br>
<br>
There is a wealth of information on Blackmsith Tokens that Jim Spilman help=
me create awhile back. Subscribe here:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:BlacksmithTokens-subscribe%40yahoogroups.com" rel=3D"nofo=
llow" target=3D"_blank">BlacksmithTokens-subscribe@yahoogroups.com</a><br>
<br>
I have done an XRF Study on these pieces for the William Anton 20th Anniver=
sary Forgotten Coins Book.<br>
<br>
JPL<br>
<br>
--- In <a href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins%40yahoogroups.com" rel=3D"nofollow"=
target=3D"_blank">
colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a>, todd gredesky <njtodd7@...> wrote=
:<br>
><br>
> Gord,<br>
> =C2 <br>
> =C2 Any chance of you posting that breakdown of the different Woo=
d 23 varieties on your website?<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> ________________________________<br>
> From: Gord Nichols <gnichols@...><br>
> To: <a href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins%40yahoogroups.com" rel=3D"nofollo=
w" target=3D"_blank">
colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a> <br>
> Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 8:41 PM<br>
> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Blacksmith Token<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> =C2 <br>
> Good one Calvin. A nice Wood 23. One of the commoner varieties but is =
broken into close to=C2 a dozen varieties itself.
<br>
> Gord<br>
> ----- Original Message ----- <br>
> >From: C.G. <br>
> >To: <a href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins%40yahoogroups.com" rel=3D"nof=
ollow" target=3D"_blank">
colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a> <br>
> >Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 8:37 PM<br>
> >Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Blacksmith Token<br>
> ><br>
> >=C2 <br>
> >Here's my 4 Dollar! purchase from a Midwest dealer..labeled as a<b=
r>
> >"Canadian Blacksmith Token"...not sure if that, or, even=
belongs with<br>
> >Colonials...you folks will know...is that a Cud at 6:30 O'Clock, w=
ith<br>
> >a die crack running to 1030:O'Clock? Interesting Copper Coin..I do=
n't<br>
> >know die axis rotation on these, but, it is off about 20 degrees C=
C.<br>
> >GCG<br>
> ><br>
><br>
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