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From: David Fanning <fanning32@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood 23 Blackmsith Sub-Varieties
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I believe the catalogue is available directly from Jeffrey Hoare:
http://www.jeffreyhoare.on.ca/
It's worth the price for the info on Wood 23 die states. I tend to be wary
of calling every slight variation in a die a "state," as that is an endless
process that is ultimately pointless, but this particular die pair was
worked on repeatedly during its life.
JPL, I do look forward to seeing the next edition of the Cross book, but
wouldn't it be the 8th edition? I think the 7th edition is the current one.
This is what I have:
http://www.amazon.com/Canadian-Colonial-Tokens-W-Cross/dp/0889683360
I am conservative when it comes to considering tokens to be part of the
"Blacksmith" family. I tend not to use it as a catch-all category for
anything that doesn't fit elsewhere, which seems to me how some writers
approach it. Will be curious to see how you handle it.
df
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 11:05 PM, colonialjohn <johnmenc@optonline.net>wrot=
e:
> **
>
>
> ... David ... let me know what you think of the new 7th Edition of the
> Canadian Colonial Tokens W.K. Cross book when it arrives in April 2012 ..=
.
> Amazon will be the quickest route of purchase.
>
> JPL
>
> Again ... if anybody wants memebership to the Blackmsmith Coins Chat Room
> data base let me know or in receiving the 2011 CNL CC2R listing in digita=
l
> format for better pic views of the Kleeberg varieties - FREE. Just E-Mail
> me privately.
>
> --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, David Fanning <fanning32@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry for the late contribution on this, but I don't think anybody
> > mentioned it. The Fall 1989 Torex sale catalogue by Jeffrey Hoare
> included
> > the collection of blacksmith tokens assembled by Ernest Everingham,
> > catalogued by Warren Baker. Baker and Everingham wrote an article
> included
> > in the sale catalogue outlining the die states of this variety. It was
> > based on their combined collections, which included 220 specimens of
> > Wood-23. It is, to the best of my knowledge, the most thorough
> examination
> > of the topic published.
> >
> > David Fanning
> >
> >
> > --
> > David F. Fanning
> >
> > Kolbe & Fanning Numismatic Booksellers LLC
> > 141 W. Johnstown Rd.
> > Gahanna, OH 43230
> > (614) 414-0855
> > Fax (614) 414-0860
> > Cell (614) 256-8915
> > www.numislit.com
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 8:32 AM, colonialjohn <johnmenc@...> wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > No real time for an effective response but just off the top of my hea=
d
> ...
> > > we first heard of the different sub-varieities back in 1987 with the
> Baker
> > > Sale (B&M Taylor). Then for the first time at auction with the Ernie
> > > Everingham Collection we actually see for the first time individual
> lots of
> > > the early to late state die varieities. Never really tracked it ... i=
n
> the
> > > beginning it was SIX? ... then currently EIGHT? ... could be TEN?. Th=
e
> very
> > > early and late die states very rare and mid-states more common. Its a=
n
> > > unusual piece in that we always see that large die break along the le=
ft
> > > side of the obverse and yet it was struck this way to probably being
> the
> > > second most common variety? to Wood 11. Its close Jeff <BG>. See a
> > > represenative example here:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/ColCoinImages/Blacksmith/Wood-23-early.ob=
v.jpg
> > >
> > > Yes - incredible coin by the way ... this coin, the Jimmy King/JPL W2=
3
> and
> > > the W23 AU Everingham are the top three W23 Blackmsiths in existence
> ...
> > > from my data.
> > >
> > > There is a wealth of information on Blackmsith Tokens that Jim Spilma=
n
> > > help me create awhile back. Subscribe here:
> > >
> > > BlacksmithTokens-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > I have done an XRF Study on these pieces for the William Anton 20th
> > > Anniversary Forgotten Coins Book.
> > >
> > > JPL
> > >
> > > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, todd gredesky <njtodd7@> wrote=
:
> > > >
> > > > Gord,
> > > > =C2
> > > > =C2 Any chance of you posting that breakdown of the different Wood =
23
> > > varieties on your website?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: Gord Nichols <gnichols@>
> > > > To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 8:41 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Blacksmith Token
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > =C2
> > > > Good one Calvin. A nice Wood 23. One of the commoner varieties but =
is
> > > broken into close to=C2 a dozen varieties itself.
> > > > Gord
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: C.G.
> > > > >To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 8:37 PM
> > > > >Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Blacksmith Token
> > > > >
> > > > >=C2
> > > > >Here's my 4 Dollar! purchase from a Midwest dealer..labeled as a
> > > > >"Canadian Blacksmith Token"...not sure if that, or, even belongs
> with
> > > > >Colonials...you folks will know...is that a Cud at 6:30 O'Clock,
> with
> > > > >a die crack running to 1030:O'Clock? Interesting Copper Coin..I
> don't
> > > > >know die axis rotation on these, but, it is off about 20 degrees C=
C.
> > > > >GCG
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>=20=20
>
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David F. Fanning
Kolbe & Fanning Numismatic Booksellers LLC
141 W. Johnstown Rd.
Gahanna, OH 43230
(614) 414-0855
Fax (614) 414-0860
Cell (614) 256-8915
www.numislit.com
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I believe the catalogue is available directly from Jeffrey Hoare: <a href=
=3D"http://www.jeffreyhoare.on.ca/">http://www.jeffreyhoare.on.ca/</a><br><=
br>It's worth the price for the info on Wood 23 die states. I tend to b=
e wary of calling every slight variation in a die a "state," as t=
hat is an endless process that is ultimately pointless, but this particular=
die pair was worked on repeatedly during its life.<br>
<br>JPL, I do look forward to seeing the next edition of the Cross book, bu=
t wouldn't it be the 8th edition? I think the 7th edition is the curren=
t one. This is what I have: <a href=3D"http://www.amazon.com/Canadian-Colon=
ial-Tokens-W-Cross/dp/0889683360">http://www.amazon.com/Canadian-Colonial-T=
okens-W-Cross/dp/0889683360</a><br>
<br>I am conservative when it comes to considering tokens to be part of the=
"Blacksmith" family. I tend not to use it as a catch-all categor=
y for anything that doesn't fit elsewhere, which seems to me how some w=
riters approach it. Will be curious to see how you handle it.<br>
<br>df<br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 11:05 =
PM, colonialjohn <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:johnmenc@optonline=
.net">johnmenc@optonline.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-=
left:1ex">
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<p>... David ... let me know what you think of the new 7th Edition of=
the Canadian Colonial Tokens W.K. Cross book when it arrives in April 2012=
... Amazon will be the quickest route of purchase.<br>
<br>
JPL<br>
<br>
Again ... if anybody wants memebership to the Blackmsmith Coins Chat Room d=
ata base let me know or in receiving the 2011 CNL CC2R listing in digital f=
ormat for better pic views of the Kleeberg varieties - FREE. Just E-Mail me=
privately.<br>
<br>
--- In <a href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins%40yahoogroups.com" target=3D"_blank=
">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a>, David Fanning <fanning32@...> w=
rote:<br>
><br>
> Sorry for the late contribution on this, but I don't think anybody=
<br>
> mentioned it. The Fall 1989 Torex sale catalogue by Jeffrey Hoare incl=
uded<br>
> the collection of blacksmith tokens assembled by Ernest Everingham,<br=
>
> catalogued by Warren Baker. Baker and Everingham wrote an article incl=
uded<br>
> in the sale catalogue outlining the die states of this variety. It was=
<br>
> based on their combined collections, which included 220 specimens of<b=
r>
> Wood-23. It is, to the best of my knowledge, the most thorough examin=
ation<br>
> of the topic published.<br>
> <br>
> David Fanning<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> -- <br>
> David F. Fanning<br>
> <br>
> Kolbe & Fanning Numismatic Booksellers LLC<br>
> 141 W. Johnstown Rd.<br>
> Gahanna, OH 43230<br>
> <a href=3D"tel:%28614%29%20414-0855" value=3D"+16144140855" target=3D"=
_blank">(614) 414-0855</a><br>
> Fax <a href=3D"tel:%28614%29%20414-0860" value=3D"+16144140860" target=
=3D"_blank">(614) 414-0860</a><br>
> Cell <a href=3D"tel:%28614%29%20256-8915" value=3D"+16142568915" targe=
t=3D"_blank">(614) 256-8915</a><br>
> <a href=3D"http://www.numislit.com" target=3D"_blank">www.numislit.com=
</a><br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 8:32 AM, colonialjohn <johnmenc@...> wrot=
e:<br>
> <br>
> > **<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > No real time for an effective response but just off the top of my=
head ...<br>
> > we first heard of the different sub-varieities back in 1987 with =
the Baker<br>
> > Sale (B&M Taylor). Then for the first time at auction with th=
e Ernie<br>
> > Everingham Collection we actually see for the first time individu=
al lots of<br>
> > the early to late state die varieities. Never really tracked it .=
.. in the<br>
> > beginning it was SIX? ... then currently EIGHT? ... could be TEN?=
. The very<br>
> > early and late die states very rare and mid-states more common. I=
ts an<br>
> > unusual piece in that we always see that large die break along th=
e left<br>
> > side of the obverse and yet it was struck this way to probably be=
ing the<br>
> > second most common variety? to Wood 11. Its close Jeff <BG>=
. See a<br>
> > represenative example here:<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > <a href=3D"http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/ColCoinImages/Blacksmi=
th/Wood-23-early.obv.jpg" target=3D"_blank">http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin=
/ColCoinImages/Blacksmith/Wood-23-early.obv.jpg</a><br>
> ><br>
> > Yes - incredible coin by the way ... this coin, the Jimmy King/JP=
L W23 and<br>
> > the W23 AU Everingham are the top three W23 Blackmsiths in existe=
nce ...<br>
> > from my data.<br>
> ><br>
> > There is a wealth of information on Blackmsith Tokens that Jim Sp=
ilman<br>
> > help me create awhile back. Subscribe here:<br>
> ><br>
> > <a href=3D"mailto:BlacksmithTokens-subscribe%40yahoogroups.com" t=
arget=3D"_blank">BlacksmithTokens-subscribe@yahoogroups.com</a><br>
> ><br>
> > I have done an XRF Study on these pieces for the William Anton 20=
th<br>
> > Anniversary Forgotten Coins Book.<br>
> ><br>
> > JPL<br>
> ><br>
> > --- In <a href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins%40yahoogroups.com" target=
=3D"_blank">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a>, todd gredesky <njtodd7@&=
gt; wrote:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Gord,<br>
> > > =C2<br>
> > > =C2 Any chance of you posting that breakdown of the differen=
t Wood 23<br>
> > varieties on your website?<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > ________________________________<br>
> > > From: Gord Nichols <gnichols@><br>
> > > To: <a href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins%40yahoogroups.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a><br>
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 8:41 PM<br>
> > > Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Blacksmith Token<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > =C2<br>
> > > Good one Calvin. A nice Wood 23. One of the commoner varieti=
es but is<br>
> > broken into close to=C2 a dozen varieties itself.<br>
> > > Gord<br>
> > > ----- Original Message -----<br>
> > > >From: C.G.<br>
> > > >To: <a href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins%40yahoogroups.com" =
target=3D"_blank">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a><br>
> > > >Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 8:37 PM<br>
> > > >Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Blacksmith Token<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > >=C2<br>
> > > >Here's my 4 Dollar! purchase from a Midwest dealer..=
labeled as a<br>
> > > >"Canadian Blacksmith Token"...not sure if that=
, or, even belongs with<br>
> > > >Colonials...you folks will know...is that a Cud at 6:30 =
O'Clock, with<br>
> > > >a die crack running to 1030:O'Clock? Interesting Cop=
per Coin..I don't<br>
> > > >know die axis rotation on these, but, it is off about 20=
degrees CC.<br>
> > > >GCG<br>
> > > ><br>
> > ><br>
> ><br>
> > <br>
> ><br>
><br>
<br>
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>Kolbe & Fanning Numismatic Booksellers LLC<br>141 W. Johnstown Rd.<br>=
Gahanna, OH 43230<br>(614) 414-0855<br>Fax (614) 414-0860<br>Cell (614) 256=
-8915<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.numislit.com">www.numislit.com</a><br><br>
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