[Colonial Numismatics] Wood 23 Blackmsith Sub-Varieties

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From: Ray Williams <njraywms@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood 23 Blackmsith Sub-Varieties
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I think it's nice of Bill Anton to let JPL publish his research, and update=
all of Bill's original data, in this book. I look forward to reading it.
Ray

From: David Fanning=20
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 11:03 AM
To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com=20
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood 23 Blackmsith Sub-Varieties

I believe the catalogue is available directly from Jeffrey Hoare: http://ww=
w.jeffreyhoare.on.ca/

It's worth the price for the info on Wood 23 die states. I tend to be wary =
of calling every slight variation in a die a "state," as that is an endless=
process that is ultimately pointless, but this particular die pair was wor=
ked on repeatedly during its life.

JPL, I do look forward to seeing the next edition of the Cross book, but wo=
uldn't it be the 8th edition? I think the 7th edition is the current one. T=
his is what I have: http://www.amazon.com/Canadian-Colonial-Tokens-W-Cross/=
dp/0889683360

I am conservative when it comes to considering tokens to be part of the "Bl=
acksmith" family. I tend not to use it as a catch-all category for anything=
that doesn't fit elsewhere, which seems to me how some writers approach it=
. Will be curious to see how you handle it.

df

On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 11:05 PM, colonialjohn <johnmenc@optonline.net> wro=
te:

=20=20=20=20
... David ... let me know what you think of the new 7th Edition of the Ca=
nadian Colonial Tokens W.K. Cross book when it arrives in April 2012 ... Am=
azon will be the quickest route of purchase.

JPL

Again ... if anybody wants memebership to the Blackmsmith Coins Chat Room=
data base let me know or in receiving the 2011 CNL CC2R listing in digital=
format for better pic views of the Kleeberg varieties - FREE. Just E-Mail =
me privately.

--- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, David Fanning <fanning32@...> wrot=
e:
>
> Sorry for the late contribution on this, but I don't think anybody
> mentioned it. The Fall 1989 Torex sale catalogue by Jeffrey Hoare inclu=
ded
> the collection of blacksmith tokens assembled by Ernest Everingham,
> catalogued by Warren Baker. Baker and Everingham wrote an article inclu=
ded
> in the sale catalogue outlining the die states of this variety. It was
> based on their combined collections, which included 220 specimens of
> Wood-23. It is, to the best of my knowledge, the most thorough examinat=
ion
> of the topic published.
>=20
> David Fanning
>=20
>=20
> --=20
> David F. Fanning
>=20
> Kolbe & Fanning Numismatic Booksellers LLC
> 141 W. Johnstown Rd.
> Gahanna, OH 43230
> (614) 414-0855
> Fax (614) 414-0860
> Cell (614) 256-8915
> www.numislit.com
>=20
>=20
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 8:32 AM, colonialjohn <johnmenc@...> wrote:
>=20
> > **
> >
> >
> > No real time for an effective response but just off the top of my hea=
d ...
> > we first heard of the different sub-varieities back in 1987 with the =
Baker
> > Sale (B&M Taylor). Then for the first time at auction with the Ernie
> > Everingham Collection we actually see for the first time individual l=
ots of
> > the early to late state die varieities. Never really tracked it ... i=
n the
> > beginning it was SIX? ... then currently EIGHT? ... could be TEN?. Th=
e very
> > early and late die states very rare and mid-states more common. Its a=
n
> > unusual piece in that we always see that large die break along the le=
ft
> > side of the obverse and yet it was struck this way to probably being =
the
> > second most common variety? to Wood 11. Its close Jeff <BG>. See a
> > represenative example here:
> >
> >
> > http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/ColCoinImages/Blacksmith/Wood-23-earl=
y.obv.jpg
> >
> > Yes - incredible coin by the way ... this coin, the Jimmy King/JPL W2=
3 and
> > the W23 AU Everingham are the top three W23 Blackmsiths in existence =
...
> > from my data.
> >
> > There is a wealth of information on Blackmsith Tokens that Jim Spilma=
n
> > help me create awhile back. Subscribe here:
> >
> > BlacksmithTokens-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > I have done an XRF Study on these pieces for the William Anton 20th
> > Anniversary Forgotten Coins Book.
> >
> > JPL
> >
> > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, todd gredesky <njtodd7@> wrote=
:
> > >
> > > Gord,
> > > =C2
> > > =C2 Any chance of you posting that breakdown of the different Wood =
23
> > varieties on your website?
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Gord Nichols <gnichols@>
> > > To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 8:41 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Blacksmith Token
> > >
> > >
> > > =C2
> > > Good one Calvin. A nice Wood 23. One of the commoner varieties but =
is
> > broken into close to=C2 a dozen varieties itself.
> > > Gord
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: C.G.
> > > >To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 8:37 PM
> > > >Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Blacksmith Token
> > > >
> > > >=C2
> > > >Here's my 4 Dollar! purchase from a Midwest dealer..labeled as a
> > > >"Canadian Blacksmith Token"...not sure if that, or, even belongs w=
ith
> > > >Colonials...you folks will know...is that a Cud at 6:30 O'Clock, w=
ith
> > > >a die crack running to 1030:O'Clock? Interesting Copper Coin..I do=
n't
> > > >know die axis rotation on these, but, it is off about 20 degrees C=
C.
> > > >GCG
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >=20
> >
>

--=20
David F. Fanning

Kolbe & Fanning Numismatic Booksellers LLC
141 W. Johnstown Rd.
Gahanna, OH 43230
(614) 414-0855
Fax (614) 414-0860
Cell (614) 256-8915
www.numislit.com

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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>I think it's nice of Bill Anton to let JPL=
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Ray</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
title=3D"mailto:fanning32@gmail.com CTRL + Click to follow link"=20
href=3D"mailto:fanning32@gmail.com">David Fanning</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, March 21, 2012 11:03 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dcolonial-coins@yahoogroups.com=20
href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.c=
om</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood 23 Blackmsith=20
Sub-Varieties</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I=20
believe the catalogue is available directly from Jeffrey Hoare: <A=20
href=3D"http://www.jeffreyhoare.on.ca/">http://www.jeffreyhoare.on.ca/</A><=
BR><BR>It's=20
worth the price for the info on Wood 23 die states. I tend to be wary of ca=
lling=20
every slight variation in a die a "state," as that is an endless process th=
at is=20
ultimately pointless, but this particular die pair was worked on repeatedly=
=20
during its life.<BR><BR>JPL, I do look forward to seeing the next edition o=
f the=20
Cross book, but wouldn't it be the 8th edition? I think the 7th edition is =
the=20
current one. This is what I have: <A=20
href=3D"http://www.amazon.com/Canadian-Colonial-Tokens-W-Cross/dp/088968336=
0">http://www.amazon.com/Canadian-Colonial-Tokens-W-Cross/dp/0889683360</A>=
<BR><BR>I=20
am conservative when it comes to considering tokens to be part of the=20
"Blacksmith" family. I tend not to use it as a catch-all category for anyth=
ing=20
that doesn't fit elsewhere, which seems to me how some writers approach it.=
Will=20
be curious to see how you handle it.<BR><BR>df<BR><BR><BR>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 11:05 PM, colonialjohn <SP=
AN=20
dir=3Dltr><<A=20
href=3D"mailto:johnmenc@optonline.net">johnmenc@optonline.net</A>></SPAN=
>=20
wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
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FT: 1ex"=20
class=3Dgmail_quote><U></U>
<DIV><SPAN> </SPAN>=20
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P>... David ... let me know what you think of the new 7th Edition of the=
=20
Canadian Colonial Tokens W.K. Cross book when it arrives in April 2012 ..=
.=20
Amazon will be the quickest route of purchase.<BR><BR>JPL<BR><BR>Again ..=
. if=20
anybody wants memebership to the Blackmsmith Coins Chat Room data base le=
t me=20
know or in receiving the 2011 CNL CC2R listing in digital format for bett=
er=20
pic views of the Kleeberg varieties - FREE. Just E-Mail me=20
privately.<BR><BR>--- In <A href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins%40yahoogroups.c=
om"=20
target=3D_blank>colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</A>, David Fanning=20
<fanning32@...> wrote:<BR>><BR>> Sorry for the late contribut=
ion=20
on this, but I don't think anybody<BR>> mentioned it. The Fall 1989 To=
rex=20
sale catalogue by Jeffrey Hoare included<BR>> the collection of blacks=
mith=20
tokens assembled by Ernest Everingham,<BR>> catalogued by Warren Baker=
.=20
Baker and Everingham wrote an article included<BR>> in the sale catalo=
gue=20
outlining the die states of this variety. It was<BR>> based on their=20
combined collections, which included 220 specimens of<BR>> Wood-23. It=
is,=20
to the best of my knowledge, the most thorough examination<BR>> of the=
=20
topic published.<BR>> <BR>> David Fanning<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>=
--=20
<BR>> David F. Fanning<BR>> <BR>> Kolbe & Fanning Numismatic=
=20
Booksellers LLC<BR>> 141 W. Johnstown Rd.<BR>> Gahanna, OH 43230<BR=
>>=20
<A href=3D"tel:%28614%29%20414-0855" target=3D_blank value=3D"+1614414085=
5">(614)=20
414-0855</A><BR>> Fax <A href=3D"tel:%28614%29%20414-0860" target=3D_b=
lank=20
value=3D"+16144140860">(614) 414-0860</A><BR>> Cell <A=20
href=3D"tel:%28614%29%20256-8915" target=3D_blank value=3D"+16142568915">=
(614)=20
256-8915</A><BR>> <A href=3D"http://www.numislit.com"=20
target=3D_blank>www.numislit.com</A><BR>> <BR>> <BR>> On Fri, Ma=
r 9,=20
2012 at 8:32 AM, colonialjohn <johnmenc@...> wrote:<BR>> <BR>>=
;=20
> **<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > No real time for an effect=
ive=20
response but just off the top of my head ...<BR>> > we first heard =
of=20
the different sub-varieities back in 1987 with the Baker<BR>> > Sal=
e=20
(B&M Taylor). Then for the first time at auction with the Ernie<BR>&g=
t;=20
> Everingham Collection we actually see for the first time individual =
lots=20
of<BR>> > the early to late state die varieities. Never really trac=
ked=20
it ... in the<BR>> > beginning it was SIX? ... then currently EIGHT=
? ...=20
could be TEN?. The very<BR>> > early and late die states very rare =
and=20
mid-states more common. Its an<BR>> > unusual piece in that we alwa=
ys=20
see that large die break along the left<BR>> > side of the obverse =
and=20
yet it was struck this way to probably being the<BR>> > second most=
=20
common variety? to Wood 11. Its close Jeff <BG>. See a<BR>> >=
=20
represenative example here:<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > <A=20
href=3D"http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/ColCoinImages/Blacksmith/Wood-23-=
early.obv.jpg"=20
target=3D_blank>http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/ColCoinImages/Blacksmith/=
Wood-23-early.obv.jpg</A><BR>>=20
><BR>> > Yes - incredible coin by the way ... this coin, the Jim=
my=20
King/JPL W23 and<BR>> > the W23 AU Everingham are the top three W23=
=20
Blackmsiths in existence ...<BR>> > from my data.<BR>> ><BR>&=
gt;=20
> There is a wealth of information on Blackmsith Tokens that Jim=20
Spilman<BR>> > help me create awhile back. Subscribe here:<BR>>=
=20
><BR>> > <A=20
href=3D"mailto:BlacksmithTokens-subscribe%40yahoogroups.com"=20
target=3D_blank>BlacksmithTokens-subscribe@yahoogroups.com</A><BR>>=20
><BR>> > I have done an XRF Study on these pieces for the Willia=
m=20
Anton 20th<BR>> > Anniversary Forgotten Coins Book.<BR>> ><BR=
>>=20
> JPL<BR>> ><BR>> > --- In <A=20
href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins%40yahoogroups.com"=20
target=3D_blank>colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</A>, todd gredesky=20
<njtodd7@> wrote:<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Gord,<BR>>=
>=20
> =C2<BR>> > > =C2 Any chance of you posting that breakdown o=
f the=20
different Wood 23<BR>> > varieties on your website?<BR>> >=20
><BR>> > ><BR>> > >=20
________________________________<BR>> > > From: Gord Nichols=20
<gnichols@><BR>> > > To: <A=20
href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins%40yahoogroups.com"=20
target=3D_blank>colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</A><BR>> > > Sent=
:=20
Thursday, March 8, 2012 8:41 PM<BR>> > > Subject: Re: [Colonial=
=20
Numismatics] Blacksmith Token<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>>=
>=20
> =C2<BR>> > > Good one Calvin. A nice Wood 23. One of the co=
mmoner=20
varieties but is<BR>> > broken into close to=C2 a dozen varieties=20
itself.<BR>> > > Gord<BR>> > > ----- Original Message=20
-----<BR>> > > >From: C.G.<BR>> > > >To: <A=20
href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins%40yahoogroups.com"=20
target=3D_blank>colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</A><BR>> > > >=
Sent:=20
Thursday, March 08, 2012 8:37 PM<BR>> > > >Subject: [Colonial=
=20
Numismatics] Blacksmith Token<BR>> > > ><BR>> > >=20
>=C2<BR>> > > >Here's my 4 Dollar! purchase from a Midwest=
=20
dealer..labeled as a<BR>> > > >"Canadian Blacksmith Token"...=
not=20
sure if that, or, even belongs with<BR>> > > >Colonials...you=
=20
folks will know...is that a Cud at 6:30 O'Clock, with<BR>> > > &=
gt;a=20
die crack running to 1030:O'Clock? Interesting Copper Coin..I don't<BR>&g=
t;=20
> > >know die axis rotation on these, but, it is off about 20 de=
grees=20
CC.<BR>> > > >GCG<BR>> > > ><BR>> > ><BR=
>>=20
><BR>> > <BR>> ><BR>><BR><BR></P></DIV>
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style=3D"MIN-HEIGHT: 0px; COLOR: #fff"></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE=
></DIV><BR><BR=20
clear=3Dall><BR>-- <BR>David F. Fanning<BR><BR>Kolbe & Fanning Numismat=
ic=20
Booksellers LLC<BR>141 W. Johnstown Rd.<BR>Gahanna, OH 43230<BR>(614)=20
414-0855<BR>Fax (614) 414-0860<BR>Cell (614) 256-8915<BR><A=20
href=3D"http://www.numislit.com">www.numislit.com</A><BR><BR>
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