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From: Ray Williams <njraywms@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood Error Hub Trial Piece - A re-evaluation
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What was it P T Barnum said??? Do you have a lot # on ebay?
Ray
From: Jeff Rock
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 10:01 PM
To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood Error Hub Trial Piece - A re-evaluation
Unfortunately, the person who bought it from John based on his description is still trying to sell it on e-bay as a die trial. The good part of that is so far no one has been suckered into it -- which means that more beginning collectors have more sense than I thought!
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Ray Williams <njraywms@optonline.net> wrote:
That's it Roger,
The two other replies state it better than me and in much fewer words. I just want to be sure that someone reading posts on this piece don't believe it's a legitimate "die trial" or die hub trial".
Ray
From: Roger Moore
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 4:40 PM
To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood Error Hub Trial Piece - A re-evaluation
Ray, Sometimes it is best to ignore obvious provocations. Only reason to respond which is why I understand you would, is to prevent others from being fooled. Roger
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 22, 2012, at 4:37 PM, Ray Williams <njraywms@optonline.net> wrote:
John,
There is no graceful way for you to gracefully back out of your original
(current?) assumptions (speculations?) on this piece. If it were a die
trial, the image in the lead disc, would look like a coin - it doesn't!!!
It is the mirror image of a coin because a coin was used to make this
impression. Someone hammered a coin into this lead disc for some unknown
reason. When and where it was done, who knows... But you need to let it
go - you made a mistake and move on.
Ray
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From: "colonialjohn" <johnmenc@optonline.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 2:44 PM
To: <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood Error Hub Trial Piece - A re-evaluation
> Jeff Rock - just a thought - as I continue to serach and purchase world
> contemporary counterfeits and then XRF and study their compositions I have
> found on occassion a new type of CC collectible. I see counterfeit coin
> type impressions struck on large metal disc flans such as this Wood
> piece - and the sellers are basically selling these pieces as forger test
> pieces for these respective counterfeits. This so-called Wood hub? trial
> piece is "possibly" then a test piece used by a forger to test his dies
> prior to counterfeiting this piece ... I suspect there is no Martin
> designation for this obverse die. Just a thought ...
>
>
>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>What was it P T Barnum said??? Do you have a
lot # on ebay?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Ray</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=rosaamltd@gmail.com
href="mailto:rosaamltd@gmail.com">Jeff Rock</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 22, 2012 10:01 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
href="mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</A>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood Error Hub Trial Piece - A
re-evaluation</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Unfortunately,
the person who bought it from John based on his description is still trying to
sell it on e-bay as a die trial. The good part of that is so far no one
has been suckered into it -- which means that more beginning collectors have
more sense than I thought!<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Ray Williams <SPAN
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href="mailto:njraywms@optonline.net">njraywms@optonline.net</A>></SPAN>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>That's it Roger,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> <FONT face=Arial>The two other replies state it
better than me and in much fewer words. I just want to be sure that
someone reading posts on this piece don't believe it's a legitimate "die
trial" or die hub trial". </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Ray</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=rogermoore435@yahoo.com
href="mailto:rogermoore435@yahoo.com" target=_blank>Roger Moore</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 22, 2012 4:40 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
href="mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com"
target=_blank>colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</A> </DIV>
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<DIV>Ray, Sometimes it is best to ignore obvious provocations.
Only reason to respond which is why I understand you would, is to
prevent others from being fooled. Roger<BR><BR>Sent from my iPhone</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Mar 22, 2012, at 4:37 PM, Ray Williams <<A
href="mailto:njraywms@optonline.net"
target=_blank>njraywms@optonline.net</A>> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<P>John,<BR>There is no graceful way for you to gracefully back out of your
original <BR>(current?) assumptions (speculations?) on this piece. If it
were a die <BR>trial, the image in the lead disc, would look like a coin -
it doesn't!!! <BR>It is the mirror image of a coin because a coin was used
to make this <BR>impression. Someone hammered a coin into this lead disc for
some unknown <BR>reason. When and where it was done, who knows... But you
need to let it <BR>go - you made a mistake and move
on.<BR>Ray<BR><BR>--------------------------------------------------<BR>From:
"colonialjohn" <<A href="mailto:johnmenc%40optonline.net"
target=_blank><A href="mailto:johnmenc@optonline.net"
target=_blank>johnmenc@optonline.net</A>><BR>Sent: Thursday, March 22,
2012 2:44 PM<BR>To: <<A href="mailto:colonial-coins%40yahoogroups.com"
target=_blank><A href="mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com"
target=_blank>colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</A>><BR>Subject: [Colonial
Numismatics] Wood Error Hub Trial Piece - A re-evaluation<BR><BR>> Jeff
Rock - just a thought - as I continue to serach and purchase world <BR>>
contemporary counterfeits and then XRF and study their compositions I have
<BR>> found on occassion a new type of CC collectible. I see counterfeit
coin <BR>> type impressions struck on large metal disc flans such as this
Wood <BR>> piece - and the sellers are basically selling these pieces as
forger test <BR>> pieces for these respective counterfeits. This
so-called Wood hub? trial <BR>> piece is "possibly" then a test piece
used by a forger to test his dies <BR>> prior to counterfeiting this
piece ... I suspect there is no Martin <BR>> designation for this obverse
die. Just a thought ...<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
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