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From: Jeff Rock <rosaamltd@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood Error Hub Trial Piece - A re-evaluation
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Ray, we can split the proceeds! <g> Or, you can make another...but then
that would cut the value dramatically!
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Ray Williams <njraywms@optonline.net>wrote=
:
> **
>
>
> **
> I found it:
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNIQUE-AND-RARE-WOODS-HIBERNIA-HALFPENNY-DIE-TRIA=
L-HUB-MEDAL-TOKEN-COIN-/320804533921?pt=3DCoins_US_Individual&hash=3Ditem4a=
b170b6a1
> That's what I was afraid of - the perpetuation of bad information. I'd
> sell him the lead hub trial I had of the NY Excelsior token, but it alrea=
dy
> resides in another collection!
> LOL
> Ray
>
> *From:* Ray Williams <njraywms@optonline.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 22, 2012 10:12 PM
> *To:* colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood Error Hub Trial Piece - A
> re-evaluation
>
> What was it P T Barnum said??? Do you have a lot # on ebay?
> Ray
>
> *From:* Jeff Rock <rosaamltd@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 22, 2012 10:01 PM
> *To:* colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood Error Hub Trial Piece - A
> re-evaluation
>
> Unfortunately, the person who bought it from John based on his descriptio=
n
> is still trying to sell it on e-bay as a die trial. The good part of tha=
t
> is so far no one has been suckered into it -- which means that more
> beginning collectors have more sense than I thought!
>
> On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Ray Williams <njraywms@optonline.net>wro=
te:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> **
>> That's it Roger,
>> The two other replies state it better than me and in much fewer
>> words. I just want to be sure that someone reading posts on this piece
>> don't believe it's a legitimate "die trial" or die hub trial".
>> Ray
>>
>> *From:* Roger Moore <rogermoore435@yahoo.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 22, 2012 4:40 PM
>> *To:* colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood Error Hub Trial Piece - A
>> re-evaluation
>>
>> Ray, Sometimes it is best to ignore obvious provocations. Only reason
>> to respond which is why I understand you would, is to prevent others fro=
m
>> being fooled. Roger
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 22, 2012, at 4:37 PM, Ray Williams <njraywms@optonline.net> wrote=
:
>>
>>
>>
>> John,
>> There is no graceful way for you to gracefully back out of your original
>> (current?) assumptions (speculations?) on this piece. If it were a die
>> trial, the image in the lead disc, would look like a coin - it doesn't!!=
!
>> It is the mirror image of a coin because a coin was used to make this
>> impression. Someone hammered a coin into this lead disc for some unknown
>> reason. When and where it was done, who knows... But you need to let it
>> go - you made a mistake and move on.
>> Ray
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "colonialjohn" <johnmenc@optonline.net>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 2:44 PM
>> To: <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>
>> Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood Error Hub Trial Piece - A
>> re-evaluation
>>
>> > Jeff Rock - just a thought - as I continue to serach and purchase worl=
d
>> > contemporary counterfeits and then XRF and study their compositions I
>> have
>> > found on occassion a new type of CC collectible. I see counterfeit coi=
n
>> > type impressions struck on large metal disc flans such as this Wood
>> > piece - and the sellers are basically selling these pieces as forger
>> test
>> > pieces for these respective counterfeits. This so-called Wood hub?
>> trial
>> > piece is "possibly" then a test piece used by a forger to test his die=
s
>> > prior to counterfeiting this piece ... I suspect there is no Martin
>> > designation for this obverse die. Just a thought ...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> =3D
>>
>>
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Ray, we can split the proceeds!=A0 <g>=A0 Or, you can make another...=
but then that would cut the value dramatically!<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote">On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Ray Williams <span dir=3D"ltr"><=
<a href=3D"mailto:njraywms@optonline.net">njraywms@optonline.net</a>></s=
pan> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-=
color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class=
=3D"gmail_quote">
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<span>=A0</span>
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<div><font face=3D"Arial">I found it:</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial"><a title=3D"http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNIQUE-AND-RA=
RE-WOODS-HIBERNIA-HALFPENNY-DIE-TRIAL-HUB-MEDAL-TOKEN-COIN-/320804533921?pt=
=3DCoins_US_Individual&hash=3Ditem4ab170b6a1
CTRL + Click to follow link" href=3D"http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNIQUE-AND-RAR=
E-WOODS-HIBERNIA-HALFPENNY-DIE-TRIAL-HUB-MEDAL-TOKEN-COIN-/320804533921?pt=
=3DCoins_US_Individual&hash=3Ditem4ab170b6a1" target=3D"_blank">http://=
www.ebay.com/itm/UNIQUE-AND-RARE-WOODS-HIBERNIA-HALFPENNY-DIE-TRIAL-HUB-MED=
AL-TOKEN-COIN-/320804533921?pt=3DCoins_US_Individual&hash=3Ditem4ab170b=
6a1</a></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial">That's what I was afraid of - the perpetuatio=
n of=20
bad information.=A0 I'd sell him the lead hub trial I had of the NY Exc=
elsior=20
token, but it already resides in another collection!=A0 </font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial">LOL</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial">Ray</font></div>
<div style=3D"font:10pt/normal Tahoma;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:no=
rmal">
<div><br></div>
<div style=3D"background:rgb(245,245,245)">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"njraywms@optonline.net" href=3D"mailto:njrayw=
ms@optonline.net" target=3D"_blank">Ray Williams</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 22, 2012 10:12 PM</div><div><div></div><d=
iv class=3D"h5">
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com"=
target=3D"_blank">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a>=20
</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood Error Hub Trial Piece =
- A=20
re-evaluation</div></div></div></div></div><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5=
">
<div><br></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial">What was it P T Barnum said???=A0 Do you have a=20
lot # on ebay?</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial">Ray</font></div>
<div style=3D"font:10pt/normal Tahoma;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:no=
rmal">
<div><br></div>
<div style=3D"background:rgb(245,245,245)">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"rosaamltd@gmail.com" href=3D"mailto:rosaamltd=
@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">Jeff Rock</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 22, 2012 10:01 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" href=3D"mailto:=
colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" target=3D"_blank">colonial-coins@yahoogroup=
s.com</a>=20
</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood Error Hub Trial Piece =
- A=20
re-evaluation</div></div></div>
<div><br></div>Unfortunately, the person who bought it from John based on h=
is=20
description is still trying to sell it on e-bay as a die trial.=A0 The good=
=20
part of that is so far no one has been suckered into it -- which means that=
more=20
beginning collectors have more sense than I thought!<br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Ray Williams <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:njraywms@optonline.net" target=3D"_bl=
ank">njraywms@optonline.net</a>></span>=20
wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1=
px;border-left-style:solid" class=3D"gmail_quote"><u></u>
<div style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span>=A0</span>=20
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p><u></u>
<div><font face=3D"Arial">That's it Roger,</font></div>
<div>=A0=A0=A0=A0<font face=3D"Arial">The two other replies state it=20
better than me and in much fewer words.=A0 I just want to be sure that=20
someone reading posts on this piece don't believe it's a legitima=
te "die=20
trial" or die hub trial".=A0 </font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial">Ray</font></div>
<div style=3D"font:10pt/normal Tahoma;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:=
normal">
<div><br></div>
<div style=3D"background:rgb(245,245,245)">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"rogermoore435@yahoo.com" href=3D"mailto:rog=
ermoore435@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">Roger Moore</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 22, 2012 4:40 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" href=3D"mailt=
o:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" target=3D"_blank">colonial-coins@yahoogro=
ups.com</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood Error Hub Trial Piec=
e - A=20
re-evaluation</div></div></div>
<div>
<div></div>
<div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Ray, =A0Sometimes it is best to ignore obvious provocations.=20
=A0Only reason to respond which is why I understand you would, is to=20
prevent others from being fooled. =A0Roger<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</di=
v>
<div><br>On Mar 22, 2012, at 4:37 PM, Ray Williams <<a href=3D"mailto:=
njraywms@optonline.net" target=3D"_blank">njraywms@optonline.net</a>> wr=
ote:<br><br></div>
<div></div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div><span>=A0</span>=20
<div>
<p>John,<br>There is no graceful way for you to gracefully back out of =
your=20
original <br>(current?) assumptions (speculations?) on this piece. If i=
t=20
were a die <br>trial, the image in the lead disc, would look like a coi=
n -=20
it doesn't!!! <br>It is the mirror image of a coin because a coin w=
as used=20
to make this <br>impression. Someone hammered a coin into this lead dis=
c for=20
some unknown <br>reason. When and where it was done, who knows... But y=
ou=20
need to let it <br>go - you made a mistake and move=20
on.<br>Ray<br><br>--------------------------------------------------<br=
>From:=20
"colonialjohn" <<a href=3D"mailto:johnmenc%40optonline.net=
" target=3D"_blank"><a href=3D"mailto:johnmenc@optonline.net" target=3D"_bl=
ank">johnmenc@optonline.net</a>><br>Sent: Thursday, March 22,=20
2012 2:44 PM<br>To: <<a href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins%40yahoogroups.=
com" target=3D"_blank"><a href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a>><br>Subject: [Colonia=
l=20
Numismatics] Wood Error Hub Trial Piece - A re-evaluation<br><br>> J=
eff=20
Rock - just a thought - as I continue to serach and purchase world <br>=
>=20
contemporary counterfeits and then XRF and study their compositions I h=
ave=20
<br>> found on occassion a new type of CC collectible. I see counter=
feit=20
coin <br>> type impressions struck on large metal disc flans such as=
this=20
Wood <br>> piece - and the sellers are basically selling these piece=
s as=20
forger test <br>> pieces for these respective counterfeits. This=20
so-called Wood hub? trial <br>> piece is "possibly" then a=
test piece=20
used by a forger to test his dies <br>> prior to counterfeiting this=
=20
piece ... I suspect there is no Martin <br>> designation for this ob=
verse=20
die. Just a thought ...<br>><br>><br>><br>>=20
------------------------------------<br>><br>> Yahoo! Groups=20
Links<br>><br>><br>><br></a></a></p></div></div></blockquote>
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