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From: "colonialjohn" <johnmenc@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood Error Hub Trial Piece - A re-evaluation
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HMMM ... two offers ... bidding on two pieces now similar to the Wood's pie=
ce ... seen three others ... will post if succesful ... Jeff ... don't both=
er looing on E-Bay ... <BG>.
--- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "colonialjohn" <johnmenc@...> wrote:
>
> ... still like to see its Martin attribution ... its clear enough ... any=
one ... ???
>=20
> --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Rock <rosaamltd@> wrote:
> >
> > Ray, we can split the proceeds! <g> Or, you can make another...but th=
en
> > that would cut the value dramatically!
> >=20
> > On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Ray Williams <njraywms@>wrote:
> >=20
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > **
> > > I found it:
> > >
> > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNIQUE-AND-RARE-WOODS-HIBERNIA-HALFPENNY-DIE-=
TRIAL-HUB-MEDAL-TOKEN-COIN-/320804533921?pt=3DCoins_US_Individual&hash=3Dit=
em4ab170b6a1
> > > That's what I was afraid of - the perpetuation of bad information. I=
'd
> > > sell him the lead hub trial I had of the NY Excelsior token, but it a=
lready
> > > resides in another collection!
> > > LOL
> > > Ray
> > >
> > > *From:* Ray Williams <njraywms@>
> > > *Sent:* Thursday, March 22, 2012 10:12 PM
> > > *To:* colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> > > *Subject:* Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood Error Hub Trial Piece - A
> > > re-evaluation
> > >
> > > What was it P T Barnum said??? Do you have a lot # on ebay?
> > > Ray
> > >
> > > *From:* Jeff Rock <rosaamltd@>
> > > *Sent:* Thursday, March 22, 2012 10:01 PM
> > > *To:* colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> > > *Subject:* Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood Error Hub Trial Piece - A
> > > re-evaluation
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, the person who bought it from John based on his descri=
ption
> > > is still trying to sell it on e-bay as a die trial. The good part of=
that
> > > is so far no one has been suckered into it -- which means that more
> > > beginning collectors have more sense than I thought!
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Ray Williams <njraywms@>wrote:
> > >
> > >> **
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> **
> > >> That's it Roger,
> > >> The two other replies state it better than me and in much fewer
> > >> words. I just want to be sure that someone reading posts on this pi=
ece
> > >> don't believe it's a legitimate "die trial" or die hub trial".
> > >> Ray
> > >>
> > >> *From:* Roger Moore <rogermoore435@>
> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, March 22, 2012 4:40 PM
> > >> *To:* colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> > >> *Subject:* Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood Error Hub Trial Piece - A
> > >> re-evaluation
> > >>
> > >> Ray, Sometimes it is best to ignore obvious provocations. Only rea=
son
> > >> to respond which is why I understand you would, is to prevent others=
from
> > >> being fooled. Roger
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >> On Mar 22, 2012, at 4:37 PM, Ray Williams <njraywms@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> John,
> > >> There is no graceful way for you to gracefully back out of your orig=
inal
> > >> (current?) assumptions (speculations?) on this piece. If it were a d=
ie
> > >> trial, the image in the lead disc, would look like a coin - it doesn=
't!!!
> > >> It is the mirror image of a coin because a coin was used to make thi=
s
> > >> impression. Someone hammered a coin into this lead disc for some unk=
nown
> > >> reason. When and where it was done, who knows... But you need to let=
it
> > >> go - you made a mistake and move on.
> > >> Ray
> > >>
> > >> --------------------------------------------------
> > >> From: "colonialjohn" <johnmenc@>
> > >> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 2:44 PM
> > >> To: <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>
> > >> Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood Error Hub Trial Piece - A
> > >> re-evaluation
> > >>
> > >> > Jeff Rock - just a thought - as I continue to serach and purchase =
world
> > >> > contemporary counterfeits and then XRF and study their composition=
s I
> > >> have
> > >> > found on occassion a new type of CC collectible. I see counterfeit=
coin
> > >> > type impressions struck on large metal disc flans such as this Woo=
d
> > >> > piece - and the sellers are basically selling these pieces as forg=
er
> > >> test
> > >> > pieces for these respective counterfeits. This so-called Wood hub?
> > >> trial
> > >> > piece is "possibly" then a test piece used by a forger to test his=
dies
> > >> > prior to counterfeiting this piece ... I suspect there is no Marti=
n
> > >> > designation for this obverse die. Just a thought ...
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
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> > >> >
> > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> =3D
> > >>
> > >>
> > >=20=20=20
> > >
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