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From: "colonialjohn" <johnmenc@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood Error Hub Trial Piece - A re-evaluation
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Buell ... let me know who bought that Stacks NJ Copper Ringo What's-It? at =
the Baltomore Sale ... if you know.
--- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, buellish@... wrote:
>
> Looing on E-Bay?=C2=A0 I didn't know you were British John. <s>
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> From: colonialjohn <johnmenc@...>
> To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com=20
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood Error Hub Trial Piece - A re-eva=
luation
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> HMMM ... two offers ... bidding on two pieces now similar to the Wood's p=
iece ... seen three others ... will post if succesful ... Jeff ... don't bo=
ther looing on E-Bay ... <BG>.
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> --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "colonialjohn" <johnmenc@> wrote:
> >
> > ... still like to see its Martin attribution ... its clear enough ... a=
nyone ... ???
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> > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Rock <rosaamltd@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Ray, we can split the proceeds! <g> Or, you can make another...but =
then
> > > that would cut the value dramatically!
> > >=20
> > > On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Ray Williams <njraywms@>wrote:
> > >=20
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > **
> > > > I found it:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNIQUE-AND-RARE-WOODS-HIBERNIA-HALFPENNY-DI=
E-TRIAL-HUB-MEDAL-TOKEN-COIN-/320804533921?pt=3DCoins_US_Individual&hash=3D=
item4ab170b6a1
> > > > That's what I was afraid of - the perpetuation of bad information. =
I'd
> > > > sell him the lead hub trial I had of the NY Excelsior token, but it=
already
> > > > resides in another collection!
> > > > LOL
> > > > Ray
> > > >
> > > > *From:* Ray Williams <njraywms@>
> > > > *Sent:* Thursday, March 22, 2012 10:12 PM
> > > > *To:* colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> > > > *Subject:* Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood Error Hub Trial Piece - =
A
> > > > re-evaluation
> > > >
> > > > What was it P T Barnum said??? Do you have a lot # on ebay?
> > > > Ray
> > > >
> > > > *From:* Jeff Rock <rosaamltd@>
> > > > *Sent:* Thursday, March 22, 2012 10:01 PM
> > > > *To:* colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> > > > *Subject:* Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood Error Hub Trial Piece - =
A
> > > > re-evaluation
> > > >
> > > > Unfortunately, the person who bought it from John based on his desc=
ription
> > > > is still trying to sell it on e-bay as a die trial. The good part =
of that
> > > > is so far no one has been suckered into it -- which means that more
> > > > beginning collectors have more sense than I thought!
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Ray Williams <njraywms@>wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> **
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> **
> > > >> That's it Roger,
> > > >> The two other replies state it better than me and in much fewe=
r
> > > >> words. I just want to be sure that someone reading posts on this =
piece
> > > >> don't believe it's a legitimate "die trial" or die hub trial".
> > > >> Ray
> > > >>
> > > >> *From:* Roger Moore <rogermoore435@>
> > > >> *Sent:* Thursday, March 22, 2012 4:40 PM
> > > >> *To:* colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> > > >> *Subject:* Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood Error Hub Trial Piece -=
A
> > > >> re-evaluation
> > > >>
> > > >> Ray, Sometimes it is best to ignore obvious provocations. Only r=
eason
> > > >> to respond which is why I understand you would, is to prevent othe=
rs from
> > > >> being fooled. Roger
> > > >>
> > > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > > >>
> > > >> On Mar 22, 2012, at 4:37 PM, Ray Williams <njraywms@> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> John,
> > > >> There is no graceful way for you to gracefully back out of your or=
iginal
> > > >> (current?) assumptions (speculations?) on this piece. If it were a=
die
> > > >> trial, the image in the lead disc, would look like a coin - it doe=
sn't!!!
> > > >> It is the mirror image of a coin because a coin was used to make t=
his
> > > >> impression. Someone hammered a coin into this lead disc for some u=
nknown
> > > >> reason. When and where it was done, who knows... But you need to l=
et it
> > > >> go - you made a mistake and move on.
> > > >> Ray
> > > >>
> > > >> --------------------------------------------------
> > > >> From: "colonialjohn" <johnmenc@>
> > > >> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 2:44 PM
> > > >> To: <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>
> > > >> Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood Error Hub Trial Piece - A
> > > >> re-evaluation
> > > >>
> > > >> > Jeff Rock - just a thought - as I continue to serach and purchas=
e world
> > > >> > contemporary counterfeits and then XRF and study their compositi=
ons I
> > > >> have
> > > >> > found on occassion a new type of CC collectible. I see counterfe=
it coin
> > > >> > type impressions struck on large metal disc flans such as this W=
ood
> > > >> > piece - and the sellers are basically selling these pieces as fo=
rger
> > > >> test
> > > >> > pieces for these respective counterfeits. This so-called Wood hu=
b?
> > > >> trial
> > > >> > piece is "possibly" then a test piece used by a forger to test h=
is dies
> > > >> > prior to counterfeiting this piece ... I suspect there is no Mar=
tin
> > > >> > designation for this obverse die. Just a thought ...
> > > >> >
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