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From: "colonialjohn" <johnmenc@optonline.net>
Subject: Countermarked Coinage: $$$?
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HMMMM ... see here:
http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=3D3002&lotIdNo=3D86164
Realize there are (4) things that can happen:
1- Fake c/m on a real host.
2- Fake c/m on a CC host.
3- Real c/m on a real host.
4- Real c/m on a CC host.
All have good value ... unless the host coin is modern.
Look closely here:
http://www.cointalk.com/t199853/
See the peeling on the surface. Sheffield. Genuine c/m on a fake host. This=
was done intentionally by the Tower Mint. Even being a (4) above this coin=
still has a good premium ($100-up).
JPL
--- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, marcus mayhugh <remi66111@...> wrote=
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> I plan on taking a hit on a couple of things I found out were fabricated.=
I would never have known about a couple of counterstamps if someone hadn't=
of shown me a reference on them. I think I may just mutilate the marks and=
call them damaged. That way I can at least recover the silver content whil=
e fixing it so someone else can't pass them along as real. They were Philip=
pine countermarks.Marc.
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> --- On Fri, 10/5/12, bkweston <bkw11@...> wrote:
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> Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: Gord ... Incredible!
> To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, October 5, 2012, 8:52 AM
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> Yeah, those thoughts have crossed my mind too, Jeff. But these new =
Chinese conterfeits and older copies and counterfeits, like this, will be a=
round for centuries to come;
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> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261107450693?ssPageName=3DSTRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=
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> The bigger problem, I believe, are the self-proclaimed weekend dealers wh=
o buy things, either not knowing what they are buying themselves, or who kn=
ow what they are buying and are simply trying to make a fast buck on what t=
hey know is a copy or a counterfeit.
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> In the past I've explained to several of them, both on eBay and on the bo=
urse, exactly what they had. They've understood and agreed but the label ne=
ver changed or the item was reposted on eBay with no changes.
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> For every collector created there are 100 who got burned and never became=
a collector simply because a "dealer" wasn't willing to take a hit on some=
thing he probably sank a lot of money into himself.
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> eBay created a lot of new opportunities for this to happen, and the Chine=
se counterfeiters have taken full advantage of it, and now it is spilling o=
ver onto the bourse.
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> Byron
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> --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, Rosa Americana <rosaamltd@> wrote:
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> > It definitely shows marked improvement over earlier Chinese counterfeit=
s. If they get a whole lot better we may see the end of collecting as we k=
now it. They've already counterfeited slabs pretty convincingly. Perhaps =
the only way left to collect will be things that are plated in auctions pre=
2000 or so, and only if it comes with every bit of supporting material fro=
m that auction. Of course that would soon be counterfeited too.
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> > At least the bidding on this isn't too ridiculous.....yet. At this lev=
el it wouldn't be too profitable to produce and sell as something rare, it =
would be sold as a "widget" type of commodity...
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> > Jeff
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> > Sent from my iPad
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> > On Oct 5, 2012, at 2:09 PM, "bkweston" <bkw11@> wrote:
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> > > I believe there are some "more contemporary" counterfeits of these co=
unterstamps floating around out there, John, and the only advice I could gi=
ve anyone is if it looks too good (or too new) to be true, it probably isn'=
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> > > It looks like they even took the effort to add the counterstamp - I h=
aven't seen this particular one in the metal though.
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> > > As for the "more contemporary" pieces, I have some doubts about when =
those were made, I think more likely earlier collector or tourist trade cla=
ss counterfeits. I would have my doubts about any of these counterstamps ac=
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> > > The Chinese have taken things to a whole new level though, and I've v=
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should probably just stay away from it.
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> > > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "colonial_john_c4" <johnmenc@>=
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> > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Spain-Mexiko-1771-MF-Pillar-8-Reales-Rare-i=
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> > > > Already ... seven suckers.
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> > > > Yes ... Byron ... same seller with 21stC material.
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