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From: "colonialjohn" <johnmenc@optonline.net>
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Update
Yes - gold on brass (Cu/Zn) exists for these denominations - I stand correc=
ted. Purdy's 8 Escudo CC is the "first" confirmed copper alloy (i.e., very =
low zinc (4%) and no tin) piece with no gold detected on three XRF spot ana=
lyses. Very unusual.
Read the Breen personal letters (two lots) at the Kolbe/Fanning auction. In=
credible letters in his last days. Its a shame how he ended ... they GOT TO=
ME ... incredible letters ... heard they brought strong FOUR figures ... n=
ot sure ... RS and Anton were there ... so Biall Jr. tells me ...=20
The last project for the CC8R book is to include all the Class 1 (Off-Metal=
) ANS pieces into Appendix 3 (ANS Collection). Will have to do this persona=
lly. In the Spring - no big deal ...=20
The Anton book is coming along ... the family has hired a professional writ=
er/editor to take over from Doug Anton who is to busy in his law practice t=
o complete the book. Hang in there Massachusetts ...=20
Picked up some new Kleeberg CC2R pieces - ALL unique.
At the electrum talk Oliver I gave my business card to Vagi - he seemed ver=
y interested but UNFORTUNATELY he is in FLORIDA - use to be in NY ... as he=
was for seven years. We shall see ... at the Mexican Proclamation Medals l=
ater in the day its amazing how generic/naive collectors are to alloy descr=
iptions ... do you really expect me to believe that every Mexican Proclamat=
ion Medal is gilt over bronze when gilting is present? Basically Wetterman =
just reciting Grove ... whatever ... so much WORK to be done in almost ever=
y field ...
The Mexican Coin Company was very interested in sending me samples for anal=
yses for various projects ... lets see what happens here ...
The Americana is next ...
JPL=20=20
--- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "colonialjohn" wrote:
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> ... yes a 1818 N-10 ... I owned 326 middle date varieities when I was a t=
oddler ... Robbie Brown... where are you today? . One of my favorites in my=
collection Buell was the Taylor M.6-D XF-45 ... after I saw it in 1987 and=
won it I knew LC's were a thing in the past for good ... glad to see Craig=
e has come up with another of equal appeal ... some nice fresh material on =
the market ... good luck!=20
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> --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, buellish@ wrote:
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> > John,
> > You're just testing me to see if I can make it to the end of one of you=
r posts, right?=C2=A0 But I do love Gold and Gilt cobs........and those cra=
cks on the 65-u.=C2=A0 Add in a little mint luster and one would look like =
it came from the Randall hoard!
> > Buell
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> > ________________________________
> > From: colonialjohn=20
> > To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com=20
> > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 7:20 AM
> > Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] The Purdy 8 Escudo Dilemma: Gilt Brass?
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> > I recently received a group of coins to analyze from Julie Purdy- withi=
n this group was an 8 Escudo Contemporary Counterfeit. I will be analyzing =
it tonight after work and it seems its either copper or toned brass or zinc=
resembling copper. Impressive and important. No gilt or gold covering seem=
s visible on the coin. When we look at the Barerra we see for the different=
denominations of Spanish Mint Contemporary counterfeits for CAROLUS III,II=
II or Fedinand VII no brass 8 Escudos but we do see these listings for the =
lower donominations. My point is this specimen from the Ringo Collection St=
acks Schaumburg 2009 Auction:
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> > http://prior.stacks.com/lotdetail.aspx?lsid=3DAN00000709&asid=3DAN00000=
245&lrid=3DAN00144047
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> > We see a brass "once gilt" piece. This is weird - we do see 2 escudos w=
hich are brass which are low weight and we see gold 2 escudo CC's which bas=
ically have the same weight as the regal gold issues - so why gold gilt a b=
rass piece with the SAME coloration?
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> > We basically see the same thing here is the previous lot from this sale=
:
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> > http://prior.stacks.com/lotdetail.aspx?lsid=3DAN00000709&asid=3DAN00000=
245&lrid=3DAN00144045
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> > Why gold gilt a yellow debased host coin? If we see J.K. descriptions h=
e uses the term "once gilt." Does any gold actually REMAIN on these 8 Escud=
os? As with all other denominations is it strictly gold or brass 8 Escudo C=
C's? Does a gilted brass 8 Escudo exist or can be verified by XRF?
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> > BTW - Nice coin Julie - similar of course to these Ringo 54 & 55 pieces=
above ...
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> > Back to the Americana Sale - my favorite NJ - M.65-u. Character sells .=
.. . Love those circular diebreaks Buell ... .
> >
> - 2013-01-13
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