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Here's a half penny.
On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Jeff Rock <rosaamltd@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> And we have a nice portrait of him on an Evasion copper -- with a
> Britannia reverse too!
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 11:09 AM, John Louis <johnwlouis@comcast.net>wrote=
:
>
>>
>>
>> OK, thank you.
>> General Howe went on to occupy the nation's capital thinking that this
>> rebellion would come to an end.
>> He was the King of Philadelphia!
>> However, hostilities did not end.
>> Washington's army was still intact!
>> jwl
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Bruce Smith <bhsmith325@gmail.com>
>> *To:* colonial-coins <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 02, 2014 10:15 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Happy New Year and Ray rambling a
>> bit - News from the Front!
>>
>>
>>
>> That was all of the foreign report from that issue of *The Sentimental. =
*
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 10:28 PM, John Louis <johnwlouis@comcast.net>wrot=
e:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is excellent reading! The British had a heck of a time sailing
>>> from New York around the New Jersey Cape and up the Chesapeke.
>>> I think they wanted to sail up the Deleware but it didn't work out for
>>> them. Could you imagine trying to navigate 267 ships in unfamiliar wate=
rs?
>>> After they landed in Maryland, I believe they pushed forward and
>>> eventually captured Philadelphia after the battles of Brandywine and Ch=
ad's
>>> Ford.
>>> I think there was something on the history channel about Washington
>>> almost being killed during these engagements. (fact or folklure?)
>>> Bruce, do you have more of these articles? from the same time period?
>>> jwl
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* Bruce Smith <bhsmith325@gmail.com>
>>> *To:* colonial-coins <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 01, 2014 9:21 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Happy New Year and Ray rambling a
>>> bit - News from the Front! [5 Attachments]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Happy New Year! Speaking of the *Sentimental Magazine, *I received the
>>> catalog I mentioned earlier. Nothing numismatic popped out, but I haven=
't
>>> studied it carefully. I'm attaching scans of more of the single issue t=
hat
>>> I do have. Included is a declaration from Howe assuring all loyal colon=
ists
>>> in PA and surrounding area that they won't be molested, and offering
>>> forgiveness to any rebels who return to the fold. There are excerpts fr=
om
>>> letters reporting on British action which make good reading. Burgoyne
>>> reports on an a failed attempt to capture rebel cattle at Bennington. T=
his
>>> is what the folks at home would have been reading about what was going =
on
>>> here. It's pretty cool stuff.
>>>
>>> I'll second what Ray said about sharing via a presentation to a club.
>>> Even though I'm used to talking to 4th graders all day, I was a little
>>> unsure of speaking to my club (Central Ohio Numismatic Association - Th=
ey
>>> were going to call it a Society but thought better of it). There are
>>> usually 50 - 60 in attendance. I spoke on my interest in Connecticut
>>> Copper. I had some help from friends preparing, and it went really well=
.
>>> I've already volunteered to do another talk this year.
>>>
>>> Bruce
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Ray Williams <njraywms@optonline.net>w=
rote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good Morning All,
>>>> and Happy New Year!
>>>> 2013 was a great year numismatically! It started off in January at
>>>> a benefit dinner for the ANS at the Waldorf Astoria, which honored a
>>>> good friend who just stepped down as ANS president. The dinner was eve=
n
>>>> better because the new ANS president (another good friend) presided.
>>>> Diane and I drove in to the event with Leo & Maryalice (C4 Librarian &
>>>> wife). The wives probably learned a lot if they were paying any
>>>> attention to me & Leo! LOL! Do you realize that so far in the 21st
>>>> century, we have had a C4 member at the helm of the ANS? The day after=
,
>>>> I was able to attend the NYINC, which was also in the Waldorf.
>>>> I had fun sharing colonial numismatics with about a dozen clubs and
>>>> organizations in 2013. Those that know me also know that I'll talk
>>>> coins to anyone willing to not walk away. On Thursday September 19th, =
I
>>>> was setting up to give a presentation to the West Jersey Coin Club and
>>>> one of the officers said that he didn't know how good the attendance
>>>> would be because there was some special game on TV (Phillies or
>>>> Eagles). I told him that if it were just him and me, I would still hav=
e
>>>> fun giving the talk. I could go thru the club meetings, board meetings=
,
>>>> shows & conventions... but that would be boring. My last convention of
>>>> the year was the C4 Convention in Baltimore. The C4 Reception,
>>>> educational events, C4 exhibits, the book signing for the new NJ Book,
>>>> Whitman events, the C4 Auction, ANS Reception and the many hobby
>>>> friends
>>>> I get to rubs elbow with...
>>>> Wouldn't it be nice to be able to go back in time and have a coffee
>>>> with Dr. Maris, or Joseph Mickley, Sylvester Crosby and the many other=
s
>>>> from our hobby past. These people are the hobby greats that we admire
>>>> today and others have built upon their works. But if you give it a
>>>> little thought, we live amongst the hobby greats today - the people
>>>> that
>>>> generations to come would wish that they would have had an opportunity
>>>> to talk to. BUT we can. They are the guys and gals that share research
>>>> publishing in books & articles, cataloging great collections (and not
>>>> so
>>>> great ones), forming great collections... There's not a one that is
>>>> unapproachable at a convention. All can be contacted by email. As a
>>>> little side story, many times in my earlier years, I would see Dave
>>>> Bowers on a convention floor or at an auction or ANS/ANA event. I felt
>>>> at the time that I didn't want to waste his time by approaching him an=
d
>>>> trying to strike up a conversation. How much hobby enjoyment I missed
>>>> out on by thinking like that! Years later I did introduce myself and
>>>> found him to be very approachable and willing to share knowledge. The
>>>> same applies to others such as Eric Newman & Ken Bressett. But the
>>>> hobby greats of today aren't only prolific writers... Just look throug=
h
>>>> the pages of the C4N and CNL. I'm fortunate to live on the East Coast,
>>>> where there are a lot of "hobby greats". I can easily send an email an=
d
>>>> have a roast beef sandwich with them at a small bar in PA, or visit
>>>> them
>>>> at the Jersey Shore, or meet them in a farmer's field to dig up
>>>> colonial
>>>> coins, or see them at a live Stack's Bowers auction, or bump into them
>>>> at the ANS. But I also enjoy making calls to talk to them as far away
>>>> as CA and FL and Canada.
>>>> To change the direction of my rambling, I'd like to encourage you
>>>> to personally try to do one thing to make your hobby better in 2014...
>>>> maybe write an article (even if only a half a page), talk to a local
>>>> coin club for 15 minutes about your colonial interests, exhibit some o=
f
>>>> your coins and paper money, volunteer at the C4 convention. These are
>>>> major contributions to the hobby and all are very fun to do. There are
>>>> also very important, but seldom thought of, things you can do to
>>>> support/encourage others. If there's an article written that you reall=
y
>>>> enjoyed - let the author know. If his/her contact info isn't with the
>>>> article, then the editor can forward your email. Thank an author for
>>>> writing a book you find useful and enjoy. If you like a particular
>>>> website, click on the "contact webmaster" and let them know. If you
>>>> enjoyed a speaker, an exhibit, a convention, a DVD... let the people
>>>> responsible know. Most of these people in the hobby are doing what the=
y
>>>> do for no monetary compensation, and a pat on the back goes a long way
>>>> to encouraging them to continue.
>>>> C4... What a great organization! In the front of every
>>>> newsletter is the contact information for all the officers. Support
>>>> them where you can. Make use of them too. If you think of something
>>>> that can make C4 better, contact your region's VP, or any of the
>>>> national officers. They are there to represent you; so suggestions,
>>>> complaints, compliments and volunteers are always welcome. Having not
>>>> been an elected C4 officer for three years now, I try my best to
>>>> support
>>>> those that are. It's fun to be a part of what's going on. You can be
>>>> too.
>>>> I'll close with one of the most wonderful things that happened to
>>>> me. At the C4 Convention, I purchased ten of the "Sentimental Tokens"
>>>> from Byron Weston. They were all in nice/affordable condition. These
>>>> tokens were issued in the 1770s by the Sentimental Magazine as a
>>>> give-away for subscribers - maybe like a prize in a cereal box. They
>>>> are nicely done copper tokens, engraved by Kirk. The complete set
>>>> consists of 13 tokens, so I figured it was a set I could complete and
>>>> do
>>>> so economically, with only three tokens to go. C4 friends found out
>>>> what I had and two different friends gifted me the needed three! This
>>>> was such an amazing gift I just had to share.
>>>>
>>>> To end, I want to encourage you all to make a New Years resolution to
>>>> do something to contribute to the hobby. It'll be fun!
>>>>
>>>> Happy and Healthy New Year!
>>>> Ray
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Here's a half penny.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><=
br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Jeff Rock=
<span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:rosaamltd@gmail.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">rosaamltd@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p></p><div dir=3D"ltr">And we have a nice portrait of him on an Evas=
ion copper -- with a Britannia reverse too!</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"=
><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 11:09 AM, John L=
ouis <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:johnwlouis@comcast.net" target=
=3D"_blank">johnwlouis@comcast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left:1px #ccc solid">
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</p><div><font face=3D"Arial">OK, thank you.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial">General Howe went on to occupy the nation's c=
apital=20
thinking that this rebellion=A0would come to an end. </font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial">He was the King of Philadelphia!</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial">However, hostilities did not end. </font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial">Washington's army was still intact!</font></d=
iv>
<div><font face=3D"Arial">jwl</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-left-color:rgb(0,0,0);border-left-width:2px;bor=
der-left-style:solid"><div>
<div style=3D"font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">----- Original M=
essage ----- </div>
<div style=3D"background:rgb(228,228,228);font-size-adjust:none;font-stre=
tch:normal"><b>From:</b>=20
<a title=3D"bhsmith325@gmail.com" href=3D"mailto:bhsmith325@gmail.com" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">Bruce=20
Smith</a> </div>
<div style=3D"font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><b>To:</b> <a ti=
tle=3D"colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoog=
roups.com" target=3D"_blank">colonial-coins</a> </div>
</div><div><div><div style=3D"font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">=
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 02, 2014 10:15=20
AM</div>
<div style=3D"font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><b>Subject:</b> =
Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Happy=20
New Year and Ray rambling a bit - News from the Front!</div>
<div><br></div><span>=A0</span>=20
<div>
<p>
</p><div dir=3D"ltr">That was all of the foreign report from that issue o=
f <i>The=20
Sentimental.=A0</i></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 10:28 PM, John Louis <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:johnwlouis@comcast.net" target=3D"_bl=
ank">johnwlouis@comcast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left-color:rgb(204,204,=
204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><u></u>
<div><span>=A0</span>=20
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p><u></u></p>
<div><font face=3D"Arial">This is excellent reading! The British had a =
heck of a=20
time sailing from New York around the New Jersey Cape and up the Chesap=
eke.=20
</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial">I think they wanted to sail up the Deleware b=
ut it=20
didn't work out for them. Could you imagine trying to navigate 267 =
ships in=20
unfamiliar waters?</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial">After they landed in Maryland, I believe they=
pushed=20
forward and eventually captured Philadelphia after the battles of Brand=
ywine=20
and Chad's Ford.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial">I think there was something on the history ch=
annel=20
about Washington almost being killed during these engagements. (fact or=
=20
folklure?)</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial">Bruce, do you have more of these articles? fr=
om the=20
same time period?</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial">jwl</font></div>
<div>
<div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-left-color:rgb(0,0,0);border-left-width:2px=
;border-left-style:solid">
<div style=3D"font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">----- Origin=
al Message ----- </div>
<div style=3D"background:rgb(228,228,228);font-size-adjust:none;font-=
stretch:normal"><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"bhsmith325@gmail.com" href=3D"mail=
to:bhsmith325@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">Bruce Smith</a> </div>
<div style=3D"font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><b>To:</b> <=
a title=3D"colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@ya=
hoogroups.com" target=3D"_blank">colonial-coins</a> </div>
<div style=3D"font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><b>Sent:</b>=
Wednesday, January 01, 2014=20
9:21 PM</div>
<div style=3D"font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><b>Subject:<=
/b> Re: [Colonial Numismatics]=20
Happy New Year and Ray rambling a bit - News from the Front! [5=20
Attachments]</div>
<div><br></div><span>=A0</span>=20
<div>
<p></p>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Happy New Year! Speaking of the <i>Sentimental Magaz=
ine,=20
</i>I received the catalog I mentioned earlier. Nothing numismatic po=
pped=20
out, but I haven't studied it carefully. I'm attaching scans =
of more of=20
the single issue that I do have. Included is a declaration from Howe=
=20
assuring all loyal colonists in PA and surrounding area that they won=
't be=20
molested, and offering forgiveness to any rebels who return to the fo=
ld.=20
There are excerpts from letters reporting on British action which mak=
e=20
good reading. Burgoyne reports on an a failed attempt to capture rebe=
l=20
cattle at Bennington. This is what the folks at home would have been=
=20
reading about what was going on here. It's pretty cool stuff.=20
<div><br></div>
<div>I'll second what Ray said about sharing via a presentation t=
o a club.=20
Even though I'm used to talking to 4th graders all day, I was a l=
ittle=20
unsure of speaking to my club (Central Ohio Numismatic Association - =
They=20
were going to call it a Society but thought better of it). There are=
=20
usually 50 - 60 in attendance. I spoke on my interest in Connecticut=
=20
Copper. I had some help from friends preparing, and it went really we=
ll.=20
I've already volunteered to do another talk this year.<br>
<div><br></div>
<div>Bruce<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Ray Willi=
ams <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:njraywms@optonline.net" target=
=3D"_blank">njraywms@optonline.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left-color:rgb(204,=
204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><u></u>
<div><span>=A0</span>=20
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p>Good Morning All,<br>and Happy New Year!<br>2013 was a great yea=
r=20
numismatically! It started off in January at <br>a benefit dinner f=
or=20
the ANS at the Waldorf Astoria, which honored a <br>good friend who=
just=20
stepped down as ANS president. The dinner was even <br>better becau=
se=20
the new ANS president (another good friend) presided. <br>Diane and=
I=20
drove in to the event with Leo & Maryalice (C4 Librarian &=
=20
<br>wife). The wives probably learned a lot if they were paying any=
=20
<br>attention to me & Leo! LOL! Do you realize that so far in t=
he=20
21st <br>century, we have had a C4 member at the helm of the ANS? T=
he=20
day after, <br>I was able to attend the NYINC, which was also in th=
e=20
Waldorf.<br>I had fun sharing colonial numismatics with about a doz=
en=20
clubs and <br>organizations in 2013. Those that know me also know t=
hat=20
I'll talk <br>coins to anyone willing to not walk away. On Thur=
sday=20
September 19th, I <br>was setting up to give a presentation to the =
West=20
Jersey Coin Club and <br>one of the officers said that he didn'=
t know=20
how good the attendance <br>would be because there was some special=
game=20
on TV (Phillies or <br>Eagles). I told him that if it were just him=
and=20
me, I would still have <br>fun giving the talk. I could go thru the=
club=20
meetings, board meetings, <br>shows & conventions... but that w=
ould=20
be boring. My last convention of <br>the year was the C4 Convention=
in=20
Baltimore. The C4 Reception, <br>educational events, C4 exhibits, t=
he=20
book signing for the new NJ Book, <br>Whitman events, the C4 Auctio=
n,=20
ANS Reception and the many hobby friends <br>I get to rubs elbow=20
with...<br>Wouldn't it be nice to be able to go back in time an=
d have a=20
coffee <br>with Dr. Maris, or Joseph Mickley, Sylvester Crosby and =
the=20
many others <br>from our hobby past. These people are the hobby gre=
ats=20
that we admire <br>today and others have built upon their works. Bu=
t if=20
you give it a <br>little thought, we live amongst the hobby greats =
today=20
- the people that <br>generations to come would wish that they woul=
d=20
have had an opportunity <br>to talk to. BUT we can. They are the gu=
ys=20
and gals that share research <br>publishing in books & articles=
,=20
cataloging great collections (and not so <br>great ones), forming g=
reat=20
collections... There's not a one that is <br>unapproachable at =
a=20
convention. All can be contacted by email. As a <br>little side sto=
ry,=20
many times in my earlier years, I would see Dave <br>Bowers on a=20
convention floor or at an auction or ANS/ANA event. I felt <br>at t=
he=20
time that I didn't want to waste his time by approaching him an=
d=20
<br>trying to strike up a conversation. How much hobby enjoyment I=
=20
missed <br>out on by thinking like that! Years later I did introduc=
e=20
myself and <br>found him to be very approachable and willing to sha=
re=20
knowledge. The <br>same applies to others such as Eric Newman &=
Ken=20
Bressett. But the <br>hobby greats of today aren't only prolifi=
c=20
writers... Just look through <br>the pages of the C4N and CNL. I=
9;m=20
fortunate to live on the East Coast, <br>where there are a lot of &=
quot;hobby=20
greats". I can easily send an email and <br>have a roast beef =
sandwich=20
with them at a small bar in PA, or visit them <br>at the Jersey Sho=
re,=20
or meet them in a farmer's field to dig up colonial <br>coins, =
or see=20
them at a live Stack's Bowers auction, or bump into them <br>at=
the ANS.=20
But I also enjoy making calls to talk to them as far away <br>as CA=
and=20
FL and Canada.<br>To change the direction of my rambling, I'd l=
ike to=20
encourage you <br>to personally try to do one thing to make your ho=
bby=20
better in 2014... <br>maybe write an article (even if only a half a=
=20
page), talk to a local <br>coin club for 15 minutes about your colo=
nial=20
interests, exhibit some of <br>your coins and paper money, voluntee=
r at=20
the C4 convention. These are <br>major contributions to the hobby a=
nd=20
all are very fun to do. There are <br>also very important, but seld=
om=20
thought of, things you can do to <br>support/encourage others. If=20
there's an
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