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From: Gord Nichols <gnichols@cogeco.ca>
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Debased Silver & Emergency Issues
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Ooh boy. They should put =93counterfeit=94 on the label but I guess if all =
they do is grade coins it is ok. Thanks Ray
Gord
On Jan 3, 2014, at 4:56 PM, Ray Williams <njraywms@optonline.net> wrote:
> Hi Gord,
> NGC is the grading service. PCGS is probably the most popular gradin=
g service for those that like encapsulation, and NGC runs a close second. =
You can read about them at: http://www.ngccoin.com/
> Ray
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> On 1/3/2014 4:26 PM, Gord Nichols wrote:
>> Ray and all
>> I collect counterfeit Spanish colonial silver portrait coins because I f=
ind them very interesting. They circulated in the early USA and colonial Ca=
nada. I will admit I am sort of poor and they are the only interesting =93c=
olonial=94 I can afford right now. Here are links to my last 2 purchases. W=
hat does NGC mean?=20
>>=20
>> 1805 Mexico 8 Reales Carolus IIII SILVER Coin.Narrow TH KM#109 NGC Grade=
d XF 45.
>>=20
>>=20
>> 8 REALES MEXICO OLD COIN MISSPRINDET DATE (VF) CARLUS THE 4TH
>>=20
>> I invite anyone to join in this interesting pursuit.=20
>>=20
>> Gord
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>> On Dec 31, 2013, at 1:53 PM, johnmenc@optonline.net wrote:
>>=20
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>>> Not really debased silver but the finest contemporary counterfeit ever =
created (my opinion) in terms of its workmanship - a Birmingham England Tow=
er Mint Sheffield (i.e., silver-plated CC8R) produced by England during its=
war with Spain to assist in demonetizing Spain's currency. The difficulty =
really being when they come UNC or AU as many exist currently in TPG holder=
s as regals and only (maybe) along the edges under a loop do we see the sil=
ver plating JUST starting to peel away. Its GNL classification being - GNL:=
1794-O : Aa / R: So DA-001. The (a) denoting its a countermark type CC8R v=
ariety. Progressive lettering such as b,c,d - denoting other different coun=
ter marks being regal or fake based on Gurney's developed classification sy=
stem for the book. I doubt a piece like this could get by Stacks/Bowers now=
due to our frequent correspondences and certainly Heritage will be brought=
up to speed soon enough with the new CC8R book in its final editing stages=
. Good
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mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Ooh boy. They should p=
ut =93counterfeit=94 on the label but I guess if all they do is grade coins=
it is ok. Thanks Ray<div>Gord<br><div><div>On Jan 3, 2014, at 4:56 PM, Ray=
Williams <<a href=3D"mailto:njraywms@optonline.net">njraywms@optonline.=
net</a>> wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote=
type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-=
style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: n=
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eight: 1.22em; font-family: Georgia;"><p style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; marg=
in: 0px 0px 1em;">Hi Gord,<br style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;"> &n=
bsp; NGC is the grading service. PCGS is probably the most popular gr=
ading service for those that like encapsulation, and NGC runs a close secon=
d. You can read about them at:<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&=
nbsp;</span><a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"http://www.ngccoin.c=
om/" style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; font-family: Verdana;">http://www.ngccoi=
n.com/</a><br style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;">Ray<br style=3D"line-height: 1=
.22em;"><br style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;"><br style=3D"line-height: 1.22em=
;"><br style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;"></p><div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix" st=
yle=3D"line-height: 1.22em;">On 1/3/2014 4:26 PM, Gord Nichols wrote:<br st=
yle=3D"line-height: 1.22em;"></div><blockquote cite=3D"mid:9B906B6F-FF3D-4B=
87-ADC1-C4EEFFAE9A5B@cogeco.ca" type=3D"cite" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px =
4px; line-height: 1.22em;">Ray and all<div style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;">I=
collect counterfeit Spanish colonial silver portrait coins because I find =
them very interesting. They circulated in the early USA and colonial Canada=
. I will admit I am sort of poor and they are the only interesting =93colon=
ial=94 I can afford right now. Here are links to my last 2 purchases. What =
does NGC mean? </div><div style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;"><br style=3D"=
line-height: 1.22em;"></div><div style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;"><a moz=3D"t=
rue" class=3D"g-asm002" title=3D"1805 Mexico
8 Reales Carolus IIII SILVER Coin.Narrow TH KM#109 NGC Graded
XF 45." href=3D"http://www.ebay.ca/itm/171203094933?ssPageName=3D=
STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=3Dp3984.m1438.l2649" id=3D"ttl_171203094933" styl=
e=3D"line-height: 1.22em;">1805 Mexico 8 Reales Carolus IIII SILVER Coin.Na=
rrow TH KM#109 NGC Graded XF 45.</a></div><div style=3D"line-height: 1.22em=
;"><br style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;"></div><div style=3D"line-height: 1.22=
em;"><br style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;"></div><div style=3D"line-height: 1.=
22em;"><a moz=3D"true" class=3D"g-asm002" title=3D"8 REALES
MEXICO OLD COIN MISSPRINDET DATE (VF) CARLUS THE 4TH" href=3D"htt=
p://www.ebay.ca/itm/271350215834?ssPageName=3DSTRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=3Dp=
3984.m1438.l2649" id=3D"ttl_271350215834" style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;">8 =
REALES MEXICO OLD COIN MISSPRINDET DATE (VF) CARLUS THE 4TH</a></div><div s=
tyle=3D"line-height: 1.22em;"><br style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;"></div><div=
style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;">I invite anyone to join in this interesting=
pursuit. </div><div style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;"><br style=3D"line-=
height: 1.22em;"></div><div style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;">Gord</div><div s=
tyle=3D"line-height: 1.22em;"><br style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;"></div><div=
style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;">On Dec 31, 2013, at 1:53 PM,<span class=3D"=
Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz=3D"true" href=3D"mailto:johnmenc=
@optonline.net" style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;">johnmenc@optonline.net</a><s=
pan class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br style=3D"line-he=
ight: 1.22em;"><div style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;"><br class=3D"Apple-inter=
change-newline" style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;"><blockquote type=3D"cite" st=
yle=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px 4px; line-height: 1.22em;"><div style=3D"line-he=
ight: 1.22em; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-ali=
gn: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;"><d=
iv id=3D"ygrp-mlmsg" style=3D"font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, helvetic=
a, clean, sans-serif; line-height: 1.22em;"><div id=3D"ygrp-msg" style=3D"l=
ine-height: 1.22em;"><div id=3D"ygrp-text" style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; fo=
nt-family: Georgia;"><div style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;"><br class=3D"webki=
t-block-placeholder" style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;"></div><p style=3D"line-=
height: 1.22em; margin: 0px 0px 1em;">Not really debased silver but the fin=
est contemporary counterfeit ever created (my opinion) in terms of its work=
manship - a Birmingham England Tower Mint Sheffield (i.e., silver-plated CC=
8R) produced by England during its war with Spain to assist in demonetizing=
Spain's currency. The difficulty really being when they come UNC or AU as =
many exist currently in TPG holders as regals and only (maybe) along the ed=
ges under a loop do we see the silver plating JUST starting to peel away. I=
ts GNL classification being - GNL: 1794-O : Aa / R: So DA-001. The (a) deno=
ting its a countermark type CC8R variety. Progressive lettering such as b,c=
,d - denoting other different counter marks being regal or fake based on Gu=
rney's developed classification system for the book. I doubt a piece like t=
his could get by Stacks/Bowers now due to our frequent correspondences and =
certainly Heritage will be brought up to speed soon enough with the new CC8=
R book in its final editing stages. Good</p></div></div></div></div></block=
quote></div><br style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;"></div><div width=3D"1" style=
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