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I paid $85 for Taylor lot 1005, the 3rd Woods 2 in the sale, recently. It
went for $22 in the sale.
Birds have been massing at the feeders all day. Nine below, just like in
the song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DWBW9hYLsSHE
Not suffering too much in San Diego I hope, Jeff <s>.
On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Jeff Rock <rosaamltd@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> David, the Taylor Blacksmiths were an odd occurrence. They didn't
> actually "sell" at the auction, as I think you know. The collection was
> purchased from Warren Baker intact by Don Partrick, with the understandin=
g
> that it would be catalogued for the record. Don simply sat in the front,
> raised his hand and bought back 95% of the lots -- the few he didn't buy
> were duplicates or things he already owned a better example of. So since
> he was the seller AND the buyer (and I'm sure had a deal cut with Bowers
> and Merena), it didn't matter whether he paid $40 or $40000 for something=
,
> it was just shifting money from one pocket to another!
>
> However, it is safe to say that if that exact collection appeared for sal=
e
> today, the prices would be significantly higher, pretty much across the
> board, perhaps with the exception of Wood 33 and 42. Even more common
> things like Wood 11 and 18 have been bringing a few hundred a pop on ebay
> recently, and these would have been $50 or so then!
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 9:37 PM, palmers4@rcn.com <palmers4@rcn.com> wrote=
:
>
>>
>>
>> John, you say prices are going up on Blacksmith's, have they caught up t=
o
>> prices
>> paid at the Taylor Sale??? David
>>
>> Original email:
>> -----------------
>> From: johnmenc@optonline.net
>> Date: 05 Jan 2014 16:13:47 -0800
>> To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] JPL Recommendations: Best Buys
>> for2014:TOP
>> 10 List
>>
>> We can't blame Mexico for having its Revolution with Spain in 1811 - the
>> coinage
>> which circulated, emergency issues and the circulation patterns are
>> similar
>> to
>> the U.S. Colonial coppers in many ways - the Forgotten Book revision is
>> dead ...
>> it seems ... the reasons really can only be discussed privately. Some of
>> the
>> information prepared can be published like some significant findings wit=
h
>> the
>> Blacksmiths ... but again it was a book for the beginners to simply brin=
g
>> more
>> people to the collecting of CC's of all types. Besides the field of CC
>> collecting has mushroomed since its publication. I do believe I came up
>> with a
>> proper attribution system for the British 1/2d's which really needs to b=
e
>> developed ... when an attribution system is schizophrenic as it is NOW i=
t
>> does
>> inhibit new collectors due to the complexity of its learning curve ... I
>> collected these for 20 years and sold them in 2008 but since I have not
>> been in
>> the in-group for the last 5 years with Roger & Co. I have no idea what t=
he
>> hell
>> is going on with these families or their discussions ... just saying ...
>> it
>> needs to be more user-friendly.
>> The Blacksmiths are tough - there crude, no legends, there like collecti=
ng
>> cast
>> British/Irish 1/2d's ... just tough to like & fully understand and the
>> rare
>> types maybe ONE-TWO surface every year and most are Unique as in the Ban=
k
>> of
>> Canada Collection. I have not added a variety in about 10 years. But
>> prices
>> have
>> been going up and collectors (U.S. & Canadian) are starting to realize
>> that
>> these are the most desirable pieces in their Colonial period.
>>
>>
>> JPL
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I paid $85 for Taylor lot 1005, the 3rd Woods 2 in the sal=
e, recently. It went for $22 in the sale.<div><br></div><div>Birds have bee=
n massing at the feeders all day. Nine below, just like in the song.</div>
<div><br></div><div><a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DWBW9hYLsSHE=
">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DWBW9hYLsSHE</a><br></div><div><br></div>=
<div>Not suffering too much in San Diego I hope, Jeff <s>.</div></div=
><div class=3D"gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Jeff Ro=
ck <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:rosaamltd@gmail.com" target=3D"_=
blank">rosaamltd@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-le=
ft:1ex">
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<p></p><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>David, the Taylor Blacksmiths were an od=
d occurrence.=A0 They didn't actually "sell" at the auction, =
as I think you know.=A0 The collection was purchased from Warren Baker inta=
ct by Don Partrick, with the understanding that it would be catalogued for =
the record.=A0 Don simply sat in the front, raised his hand and bought back=
95% of the lots -- the few he didn't buy were duplicates or things he =
already owned a better example of.=A0 So since he was the seller AND the bu=
yer (and I'm sure had a deal cut with Bowers and Merena), it didn't=
matter whether he paid $40 or $40000 for something, it was just shifting m=
oney from one pocket to another!</div>
<div><br></div><div>However, it is safe to say that if that exact collectio=
n appeared for sale today, the prices would be significantly higher, pretty=
much across the board, perhaps with the exception of Wood 33 and 42.=A0 Ev=
en more common things like Wood 11 and 18 have been bringing a few hundred =
a pop on ebay recently, and these would have been $50 or so then!</div>
</div><div><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 9:37 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:palmers4=
@rcn.com" target=3D"_blank">palmers4@rcn.com</a> <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:palmers4@rcn.com" target=3D"_blank">palmers4@rcn.com</a>><=
/span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left:1px #ccc solid">
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<p>John, you say prices are going up on Blacksmith's, have they c=
aught up to<br>
prices <br>
paid at the Taylor Sale??? David<br>
<br>
Original email:<br>
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From: <a href=3D"mailto:johnmenc@optonline.net" target=3D"_blank">johnmenc=
@optonline.net</a><br>
Date: 05 Jan 2014 16:13:47 -0800<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" target=3D"_blank">col=
onial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a></p><div><br>
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] JPL Recommendations: Best Buys<br>
for2014:TOP <br>
10 List<br>
<br></div><div><div>
We can't blame Mexico for having its Revolution with Spain in 1811 - th=
e<br>
coinage <br>
which circulated, emergency issues and the circulation patterns are similar=
<br>
to <br>
the U.S. Colonial coppers in many ways - the Forgotten Book revision is<br>
dead ... <br>
it seems ... the reasons really can only be discussed privately. Some of<br=
>
the <br>
information prepared can be published like some significant findings with<b=
r>
the <br>
Blacksmiths ... but again it was a book for the beginners to simply bring<b=
r>
more <br>
people to the collecting of CC's of all types. Besides the field of CC =
<br>
collecting has mushroomed since its publication. I do believe I came up<br>
with a <br>
proper attribution system for the British 1/2d's which really needs to =
be <br>
developed ... when an attribution system is schizophrenic as it is NOW it<b=
r>
does <br>
inhibit new collectors due to the complexity of its learning curve ... I <b=
r>
collected these for 20 years and sold them in 2008 but since I have not<br>
been in <br>
the in-group for the last 5 years with Roger & Co. I have no idea what =
the<br>
hell <br>
is going on with these families or their discussions ... just saying ... it=
<br>
needs to be more user-friendly.<br>
The Blacksmiths are tough - there crude, no legends, there like collecting=
<br>
cast <br>
British/Irish 1/2d's ... just tough to like & fully understand and =
the rare <br>
types maybe ONE-TWO surface every year and most are Unique as in the Bank<b=
r>
of <br>
Canada Collection. I have not added a variety in about 10 years. But prices=
<br>
have <br>
been going up and collectors (U.S. & Canadian) are starting to realize =
that <br>
these are the most desirable pieces in their Colonial period.<br>
<br>
<br>
JPL <br>
<br></div></div>
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