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The Dictionary of American Regional English is a fascinating undertaking.
I've never used it in connection with colonial numismatics, and it is a
relatively recent creation, but it could be the work to consult when trying
to decipher some contemporary dialect. Volume I, all 905 pages, covers
letters A-C. Just putting in my two Boston dollar's worth.
http://dare.wisc.edu/
Bruce
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 9:16 PM, James Higby <earlyamericancoppers@yahoo.co=
m
> wrote:
>
>
> Of course I knew you were kidding, Will. But if I ever hear you say
> Illi-noise, I'll...I'll...well, I just will. :)
> *From:* Will N <books@bowmanstonepress.com>
> *To:* colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 22, 2014 10:16 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Pronunciation - OT?
>
>
> Lol! I hope you know that I was kidding. I think it's good to have
> regional variations in the ways that we speak.
>
> *Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless*
>
>
> -----Original message-----
>
> *From: *James Higby <earlyamericancoppers@yahoo.com>
> *To: *"colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>
> *Sent: *Wed, Jan 22, 2014 02:06:52 GMT+00:00
> *Subject: *Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Pronunciation - OT?
>
>
> Will, my "good authority" was born in Kingman KS! :)
> *From:* "books@bowmanstonepress.com" <books@bowmanstonepress.com>
> *To:* colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 21, 2014 5:48 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Pronunciation - OT?
>
>
> Only if you are from Kansas.
> Admittedly, the origin of the word is a subject of much debate in these
> parts. Most authorities attribute it as an English corruption of a Frenc=
h
> corruption of a Quapaw name. Quapaw is itself a corrupted name. Even so=
,
> you won't find anyone south and east of Oklahoma, born in the last 150
> years, who says Ar-kansas for the state or the river - Not that I have
> anything against Kansas, Marc.
> The French abbreviated it as Arc, which gave rise to terms such as Ozark
> (aux arc) and Des Arc (a town near here). Seems as if they might have
> abbreviated it as something else if it was to be pronounced Ar-kansas.
> Anyway, James, if you won't say Ar-kansas, then I won't say Illi-noise. :=
)
>
>
>
> ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------=
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> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Pronunciation - OT?
> From: "James Higby" <earlyamericancoppers@yahoo.com>
> Date: Tue, January 21, 2014 5:10 pm
> To: "colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-
>
> > The state is ARE-can-saw, but I have it on good authority that the rive=
r
> is the ar-KANSAS.
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> From: "books@bowmanstonepress.com" <books@bowmanstonepress.com>
> > To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 3:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Pronunciation - OT?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Marc,
> > Evidently, the roots of "Arkansas" and "Kansas" are similar. See
> http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=3DArkansas. Arkansas is
> definitely now pronounced ARE-can-saw.
> > Another one that I find interesting is the turning of Acadian into
> > A-kay-dgun then just Cajun.
> > Will
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------- Original Message
> ----------------------------
> > Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Pronunciation - OT?
> >
> From: "marcm mayhugh" <mmjmcm@gmail.com>
> > Date: Tue, January 21, 2014 10:45 am
> > To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-
> >
> >> Will,
> >> Do you live in Ar-kansas or Arcansaw? I used to hear the first a lot
> when I
> >> was a kid, not so much anymore.
> >> I know what you mean about people getting pissy, I missed pronounced a
> town
> >> in Kentucky or Tennessee and they went all batshit. I think it was
> >> Murfreesbough or something like that.
> >> Marc
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 12:35 AM, <books@bowmanstonepress.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Interesting.
> >>>
> >>> Here, we have some towns and counties with historical names that are
> >>> pronounced a little different locally than elsewhere:
> >>>
> >>> Monticello: Mon-ti-sell-oh instead of Mon-ti-chell-oh
> >>>
> >>> El Dorado: El Duh-ray-doh instead of El Duh-rah-do. (The town was on =
De
> >>> Soto's route)
> >>>
> >>> Lafayette: Luh-FAY-ette instead of LA-fay-ette.
> >>>
> >>> Newark: new-ARK instead of NEW-urk.
> >>>
> >>> People in those places get downright pissy if you mispronounce the
> names.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ---------------------------- Original Message
> ----------------------------
> >>> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Pronunciation - OT?
> >>>
> >
> From: "Paul Cartmill" <cartmill_paul@yahoo.com>
> >>> Date: Mon, January 20, 2014 4:12 pm
> >>> To: "colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>
> >>>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-
> >>>
> >>> > My high school electronics teacher was named Beebe and we all calle=
d
> him
> >>> Mr. Bee Bee...
> >>> > paul
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >>________________________________
> >>> >>
> >>>
> >
> From: Will N <books@bowmanstonepress.com>
> >>> >>To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> >>> >>Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 11:44:22 AM
> >>> >>Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Pronunciation - OT?
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>Being from a town named Beebe (bee bee) I always thought that Bebee
> was
> >>> pronounced bebb ee, and have heard it that way. But I don't know how
> the
> >>> Bebees actually said it. And B Max Mehl is enough of a tongue-twister
> that
> >>> I consider it a win if I can just avoid saying Bell at the end. So if
> it
> >>> is Male, then I'm not sure I'll every get it right. :)
> >>> >>
> >>> >>Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless
> >>> >>
> >>> >>-----Original message-----
> >>> >>
> >>> >>From: earlyamericancoppers@yahoo.com
> >>> >>>To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> >>> >>>Sent: Mon, Jan 20, 2014 03:59:33 GMT+00:00
> >>> >>>Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Pronunciation - OT?
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>I believe that B. Max Mehl's last name was properly pronounced MAL=
E,
> >>> but what about Aubrey Bebee's surname? BEE-bee? BEBB-ee? Bebb-EE?
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>This has been bugging me since childhood, and that was a long time
> ago.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>James
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
>
>
>
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>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">The Dictionary of American Regional English is a fascinati=
ng undertaking. I've never used it in connection with colonial numismat=
ics, and it is a relatively recent creation, but it could be the work to co=
nsult when trying to decipher some contemporary dialect. Volume I, all 905 =
pages, covers letters A-C. Just putting in my two Boston dollar's worth=
.<div>
<br></div><div><a href=3D"http://dare.wisc.edu/">http://dare.wisc.edu/</a><=
br><div><br></div><div>Bruce</div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><b=
r><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 9:16 PM, James Hig=
by <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:earlyamericancoppers@yahoo.com" =
target=3D"_blank">earlyamericancoppers@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<u></u>
<div style>
<span>=A0</span>
<div>
<div>
<div>
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=20=20=20=20=20=20
<p></p><div style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helveti=
ca Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif"><div><span></span></div><=
div>Of course I knew you were kidding, Will.=A0 But if I ever hear you say =
Illi-noise, I'll...I'll...well, I just will.=A0 :)<br>
</div> <div style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Ar=
ial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"> <div style=3D"font-family:Hel=
veticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:12pt">
<div dir=3D"ltr"> <div style=3D"min-height:0px;font-size:0px" readonly></d=
iv> <font face=3D"Arial"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From:</span>=
</b> Will N <<a href=3D"mailto:books@bowmanstonepress.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">books@bowmanstonepress.com</a>><br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href=3D"mailto:colon=
ial-coins@yahoogroups.com" target=3D"_blank">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com=
</a> <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, J=
anuary 22, 2014 10:16 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Colonial Numi=
smatics] Pronunciation - OT?<br> </font> </div> <div><br><div><div>
<span>=A0</span>
<div>
<div>
<div>
=20=20=20=20=20=20
=20=20=20=20=20=20
<div style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:16px">Lol! I hope you =
know that I was kidding. I think it's good to have regional variations =
in the ways that we speak.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><font color=
=3D"#333333"><i><span style=3D"font-size:14px"><font face=3D"sans-serif">Co=
nnected by DROID on Verizon Wireless</font></span></i></font></div>
<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">-----Original message-----<br clear=
=3D"none"><div><blockquote><div style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:1=
4px"><b>From: </b>James Higby <<a href=3D"mailto:earlyamericancoppers@ya=
hoo.com" target=3D"_blank">earlyamericancoppers@yahoo.com</a>><b><br cle=
ar=3D"none">
To: </b>"<a href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" target=3D"_=
blank">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a>" <<a href=3D"mailto:colon=
ial-coins@yahoogroups.com" target=3D"_blank">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com=
</a>><b><br clear=3D"none">
Sent: </b>Wed, Jan 22, 2014 02:06:52 GMT+00:00<b><br clear=3D"none">Subject=
: </b>Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Pronunciation - OT?<br clear=3D"none"><br =
clear=3D"none"></div><div>
<div style>
<span>=A0</span>
<div>
=20=20=20=20=20=20
=20=20=20=20=20=20
<div style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue=
,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif"><div><span></span></div><div>Wil=
l, my "good authority" was born in Kingman KS!=A0 :)<br clear=3D"=
none">
</div> <div style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Ar=
ial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"> <div style=3D"font-family:Hel=
veticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:12pt">
<div dir=3D"ltr"> <div style=3D"min-height:0px;font-size:0px"></div> <fon=
t face=3D"Arial"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> &quo=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:books@bowmanstonepress.com" target=3D"_blank">books@bow=
manstonepress.com</a>" <<a href=3D"mailto:books@bowmanstonepress.co=
m" target=3D"_blank">books@bowmanstonepress.com</a>><br clear=3D"none">
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href=3D"mailto:colon=
ial-coins@yahoogroups.com" target=3D"_blank">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com=
</a> <br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></=
b> Tuesday, January 21, 2014
5:48 PM<br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject:</s=
pan></b> Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Pronunciation - OT?<br clear=3D"none"> =
</font> </div> <div><br clear=3D"none"><div><div>
<span>=A0</span>
<div>
<div>
<div>
=20=20=20=20=20=20
=20=20=20=20=20=20
<div>Only if you are from Kansas.</div><div>Admittedly, the origin of=
the word is a subject of much debate in these parts. =A0Most authorities a=
ttribute it as an English corruption of a French corruption of a Quapaw nam=
e. =A0Quapaw is itself a corrupted name. =A0Even so, you won't find any=
one
south and east of Oklahoma, born in the last 150 years, who says Ar-kansas =
for the state or the river - Not that I have anything against Kansas, Marc.=
=A0</div><div>The French abbreviated it as Arc, which gave rise to terms s=
uch as Ozark (aux arc) and Des Arc (a town near here). =A0Seems as if
they might have abbreviated it as something else if it was to be pronounced=
Ar-kansas. =A0</div><div>Anyway, James, if you won't say Ar-kansas, th=
en I won't say Illi-noise. :)</div><div>=A0</div><div>=A0</div><div><br=
clear=3D"none">
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Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Pronunciation - OT?<br clear=3D"none">
From: "James Higby" <<a href=3D"mailto:earlyamericancoppers@ya=
hoo.com" target=3D"_blank">earlyamericancoppers@yahoo.com</a>><br clear=
=3D"none">
Date: Tue, January 21, 2014 5:10 pm<br clear=3D"none">
To: "<a href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" target=3D"_blan=
k">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a>" <<a href=3D"mailto:colonial-=
coins@yahoogroups.com" target=3D"_blank">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a>=
><br clear=3D"none">
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> The state is ARE-can-saw, but I have it on good authority that the riv=
er is the ar-KANSAS.<br clear=3D"none">
><br clear=3D"none">
><br clear=3D"none">
> ________________________________<br clear=3D"none">
><br clear=3D"none">
From: "<a href=3D"mailto:books@bowmanstonepress.com" target=3D"_blank"=
>books@bowmanstonepress.com</a>" <<a href=3D"mailto:books@bowmansto=
nepress.com" target=3D"_blank">books@bowmanstonepress.com</a>><br clear=
=3D"none">
> To: <a href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" target=3D"_blank=
">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a><br clear=3D"none">
> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 3:52 PM<br clear=3D"none">
> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Pronunciation - OT?<br clear=3D"no=
ne">
><br clear=3D"none">
><br clear=3D"none">
><br clear=3D"none">
> =A0<br clear=3D"none">
> Marc,<br clear=3D"none">
> Evidently, the roots of "Arkansas" and "Kansas" ar=
e similar. =A0See=A0<a href=3D"http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=3DA=
rkansas" target=3D"_blank">http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=3DArkan=
sas</a>. =A0Arkansas is definitely now pronounced ARE-can-saw.<br clear=3D"=
none">
> Another one that I find interesting is the turning of Acadian into<br =
clear=3D"none">
> A-kay-dgun then just Cajun.<br clear=3D"none">
> Will<br clear=3D"none">
> =A0<br clear=3D"none">
> =A0<br clear=3D"none">
><br clear=3D"none">
> ---------------------------- Original Message ------------------------=
----<br clear=3D"none">
> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Pronunciation - OT?<br clear=3D"no=
ne">
><br clear=3D"none">
From: "marcm mayhugh" <<a href=3D"mailto:mmjmcm@gmail.com" tar=
get=3D"_blank">mmjmcm@gmail.com</a>><br clear=3D"none">
> Date: Tue, January 21, 2014 10:45 am<br clear=3D"none">
> To: <a href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" target=3D"_blank=
">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a><br clear=3D"none">
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------=
----<br clear=3D"none">
><br clear=3D"none">
>> Will,<br clear=3D"none">
>> Do you live in Ar-kansas or Arcansaw? I used to hear the first a l=
ot when I<br clear=3D"none">
>> was a kid, not so much anymore.<br clear=3D"none">
>> I know what you mean about people getting pissy, I missed pronounc=
ed a town<br clear=3D"none">
>> in Kentucky or Tennessee and they went all batshit. I think it was=
<br clear=3D"none">
>> Murfreesbough or something like that.<br clear=3D"none">
>> Marc<br clear=3D"none">
>><br clear=3D"none">
>><br clear=3D"none">
>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 12:35 AM, <<a href=3D"mailto:books@bowm=
anstonepress.com" target=3D"_blank">books@bowmanstonepress.com</a>> wrot=
e:<br clear=3D"none">
>><br clear=3D"none">
>>><br clear=3D"none">
>>><br clear=3D"none">
>>> Interesting.<br clear=3D"none">
>>><br clear=3D"none">
>>> Here, we have some towns and counties with historical names th=
at are<br clear=3D"none">
>>> pronounced a little different locally than elsewhere:<br clear=
=3D"none">
>>><br clear=3D"none">
>>> Monticello: Mon-ti-sell-oh instead of Mon-ti-chell-oh<br clear=
=3D"none">
>>><br clear=3D"none">
>>> El Dorado: El Duh-ray-doh instead of El Duh-rah-do. (The town =
was on De<br clear=3D"none">
>>> Soto's route)<br clear=3D"none">
>>><br clear=3D"none">
>>> Lafayette: Luh-FAY-ette instead of LA-fay-ette.<br clear=3D"no=
ne">
>>><br clear=3D"none">
>>> Newark: new-ARK instead of NEW-urk.<br clear=3D"none">
>>><br clear=3D"none">
>>> People in those places get downright pissy if you mispronounce=
the names.<br clear=3D"none">
>>><br clear=3D"none">
>>><br clear=3D"none">
>>><br clear=3D"none">
>>><br clear=3D"none">
>>><br clear=3D"none">
>>><br clear=3D"none">
>>><br clear=3D"none">
>>><br clear=3D"none">
>>> ---------------------------- Original Message ----------------=
------------<br clear=3D"none">
>>> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Pronunciation - OT?<br cle=
ar=3D"none">
>>><br clear=3D"none">
><br clear=3D"none">
From: "Paul Cartmill" <<a href=3D"mailto:cartmill_paul@yahoo.c=
om" target=3D"_blank">cartmill_paul@yahoo.com</a>><br clear=3D"none">
>>> Date: Mon, January 20, 2014 4:12 pm<br clear=3D"none">
>>> To: "<a href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a>" <<a href=3D"mai=
lto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" target=3D"_blank">colonial-coins@yahoog=
roups.com</a>><br clear=3D"none">
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------=
------------<br clear=3D"none">
>>><br clear=3D"none">
>>> > My high school electronics teacher was named Beebe and we=
all called him<br clear=3D"none">
>>> Mr. Bee Bee...<br clear=3D"none">
>>> > paul<br clear=3D"none">
>>> ><br clear=3D"none">
>>> ><br clear=3D"none">
>>> >>________________________________<br clear=3D"none">
>>> >><br clear=3D"none">
>>><br clear=3D"none">
><br clear=3D"none">
From: Will N <<a href=3D"mailto:books@bowmanstonepress.com" target=3D"_b=
lank">books@bowmanstonepress.com</a>><br clear=3D"none">
>>> >>To: <a href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" =
target=3D"_blank">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a><br clear=3D"none">
>>> >>Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 11:44:22 AM<br clear=3D=
"none">
>>> >>Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Pronunciation - OT=
?<br clear=3D"none">
>>> >><br clear=3D"none">
>>> >><br clear=3D"none">
>>> >><br clear=3D"none">
>>> >><br clear=3D"none">
>>> >>Being from a town named Beebe (bee bee) I always thoug=
ht that Bebee was<br clear=3D"none">
>>> pronounced bebb ee, and have heard it that way. But I don'=
t know how the<br clear=3D"none">
>>> Bebees actually said it. And B Max Mehl is enough of a tongue-=
twister that<br clear=3D"none">
>>> I consider it a win if I can just avoid saying Bell at the end=
. So if it<br clear=3D"none">
>>> is Male, then I'm not sure I'll every get it right. :)=
<br clear=3D"none">
>>> >><br clear=3D"none">
>>> >>Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless<br clear=3D"non=
e">
>>> >><br clear=3D"none">
>>> >>-----Original message-----<br clear=3D"none">
>>> >><br clear=3D"none">
>>> >>From: <a href=3D"mailto:earlyamericancoppers@yahoo.com=
" target=3D"_blank">earlyamericancoppers@yahoo.com</a><br clear=3D"none">
>>> >>>To: <a href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.c=
om" target=3D"_blank">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a><br clear=3D"none">
>>> >>>Sent: Mon, Jan 20, 2014 03:59:33 GMT+00:00<br clea=
r=3D"none">
>>> >>>Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Pronunciation - OT=
?<br clear=3D"none">
>>> >>><br clear=3D"none">
>>> >>><br clear=3D"none">
>>> >>><br clear=3D"none">
>>> >>>I believe that B. Max Mehl's last name was pro=
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